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post Mar 29 2009, 06:09 PM
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Review:

Equip to get:

http://www.musik-service.de/shure-sm-57-no...95497810de.aspx the mic

http://webshop.promusicmannheim.de/show_pr...roducts_id=3694 tone port ( incl. software for decent recording )

Soundcard: ? Which one would you suggest. I´d like one which works with USB.
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post Mar 29 2009, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Mar 29 2009, 06:09 PM) *
Review:

Equip to get:

http://www.musik-service.de/shure-sm-57-no...95497810de.aspx the mic

http://webshop.promusicmannheim.de/show_pr...roducts_id=3694 tone port ( incl. software for decent recording )

Soundcard: ? Which one would you suggest. I´d like one which works with USB.


That toneport will work as your soundcard on the usb bus, so no need for a seperate device there!!


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post Mar 29 2009, 06:17 PM
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So I would go for a decent recording equip at a cost of 250 €!?
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post Mar 29 2009, 06:22 PM
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That would deffo see you right!!

You might be able to pickup some second-user stuff on ebay!! Saving those pennies!!


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post Mar 29 2009, 06:29 PM
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I like to have guarantee, but I´ll check it out, maybe their are some which aren´t too old, so that I´ve got guarantee after all smile.gif Thanks axamentia!
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post Mar 29 2009, 07:26 PM
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I wouldn't recommend Toneport UX2, you can buy UX1 model as well, since it has very similar features. Both interfaces have 2 I/O, and they have mic preamp. (UX2 has 2 mic preamps, and UX1 has one mic preamp).

I think there are some options that you might wanna consider as well. What is your top budget limit for all the equipment you will get mate?


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post Mar 29 2009, 07:53 PM
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I could offer more for the equip, but I don´t know how much I want to offer. What would be the other option you might want me to consider!?

Let´s say the price range is up to 500 $ max.!

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post Mar 29 2009, 10:18 PM
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You're from Germany, so lets check out prices on Thomann.de

500$ = 380e

lets see:

You will need mic+cable+stand:

Check out this bundle for 122e
http://www.thomann.de/de/prod_cbundle_228....64&art=5721
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This leaves you with 260e for the rest of the recording rig, which is basically the recording interface.

Now you can get POD Studio UX2 for 190e and get things done, however I think for 260e you can achieve much better sound quality and get a better gear match. What I'm saying is that UX is a very good interface but it probably has little too much unnecessary options for your use. Also I think the quality of TOneport UX2 or POD Studio UX2 is not the best in that price range.

You will probably need (at least) 2 channel interface (for example you might wanna record both microphone and DI signal from guitar and mix them both for best results). This interface should also have at least one mic preamp available.

Here's a recommendation:

EMU0404USB - 190e
http://www.thomann.de/de/emu_0404_usb.htm


It has two preamps, onboard DSP effects, low latency, and HQ sound in that price range.

With it you get a very good software bundle for free that enables you to start producing right away in a proper manner. This interface is much better in quality then Line 6 one.
Production Tools Software Bundle (Cubase LE, Sonar LE, Wavelab Lite, Melodyne Essential, u.v.m.)

I suggest you save the rest of the money possibly for acoustic treatment of the room that you want to record your amp in, and some cables.

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post Mar 30 2009, 04:51 AM
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That seems to be a great suggestion ivan!
So here comes the last question!? How do I properly damp my amp? What´s a cheap way to achieve good acoustic treatment!? My room is build with gypsum wallboard, which might give a lot of echo, but I´m not very sure.
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post Mar 30 2009, 05:02 AM
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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Mar 29 2009, 05:51 PM) *
Shouldn't you be looking porn to crank one off, instead of GMC? ...I would be. biggrin.gif

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post Mar 30 2009, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Mar 30 2009, 05:51 AM) *
That seems to be a great suggestion ivan!
So here comes the last question!? How do I properly damp my amp? What´s a cheap way to achieve good acoustic treatment!? My room is build with gypsum wallboard, which might give a lot of echo, but I´m not very sure.
There are people who propose to throw a towel over the cab to isolate it. But I guess they've just read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

What you should really do is isolate the cab from the ground using something like this: http://www.thomann.de/de/auralex_acoustics_greatgramma.htm . There are also cheaper ways to isolate the cab from the ground but that's the first thing I could find. Another thing you could consider is a power attenuator to get tube saturation at reasonable volumes.

Hope that helps,
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post Mar 30 2009, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Mar 30 2009, 04:51 AM) *
That seems to be a great suggestion ivan!
So here comes the last question!? How do I properly damp my amp? What´s a cheap way to achieve good acoustic treatment!? My room is build with gypsum wallboard, which might give a lot of echo, but I´m not very sure.


no prob man wink.gif

There are lots of ways to treat the room, the more you pay the more you get. I think with some simple and cheap stuff you can also achieve solid results without breaking the budget.

Now I'm not an expert in treating a room, but what I know are some important factors:

Size&shape of the room:
when you are recording at home it is best to have a small room that doesn't create big echoes. If the room is more or a cube shape, it will create bigger phasing problems, cause sound waves will spread out over similar lengths and will tend to cancel each other out, which can cause different sound quality within the room.

Wall material:
Usually the walls are made from concrete, or gyps panels. In general - flat and hard surfaces tend to reflect sound better which is not good for our use. When you enter an empty room it will be full of echoes, cause sound will bounce out of these flat surfaces. Solution - make the room walls as uneven as possible. Te cheapest solution would be to use egg cardboard panels on the walls (or the part or the wall around the amp) to prevent the waves from bouncing around. Other good & cheap solution is to use blankets, thick curtains or cloths hanged on the walls where there is a lot of flat surface. They help a lot in preventing the sound to reflect. If you have pictures, frames, shelves and other things this can help as well cause the sound will bounce unevenly.

Floor material:
In proper studios, floors are raised, but for home use, some improvised base for the amp would help as well. Try to raise your amp from the floor by putting it on a carpet, or some thick non-resonating material board. You can check the resonating abilities of material when you knock on it - if it gives away sound when you knock it is probably not the best solution.

Amp and mic positioning:
This is highly individual matter, so I suggest that you spend some time experimenting and testing several positions within the room recording the same guitar tune, riff or melody. Then you can compare and analyze the sounds and see what position setup you like.



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post Apr 2 2009, 07:33 AM
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Thanks ivan! my hdd broke down, so I couldn´t read it earlier than today. Very helpful informations in there. I´ll get on the topic now. Thanks for your advice smile.gif
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post Apr 2 2009, 09:20 AM
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Once again, I'd just like to suggest Sennheiser e906 over the Shure SM57 as I find it much better for guitar!


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post Apr 2 2009, 09:43 AM
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Hey other Ivan tongue.gif

Sorry for not reading your first post. I just didn´t recognize it. Its 60€ more than the shure! Is it realy worth it and is it good for vocals too!?
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post Apr 2 2009, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Apr 2 2009, 10:43 AM) *
Hey other Ivan tongue.gif

Sorry for not reading your first post. I just didn´t recognize it. Its 60€ more than the shure! Is it realy worth it and is it good for vocals too!?


I believe it is worth it! I find it capturing my guitar sound way better, warmer and more natural than Shure SM57

And it actually does work fine for the vocals. If you go to my MySpace page (www.myspace.com/ivanmihaljevic) and listen to the song "The Road to Nowhere", I recorded the vocals on that track with that Sennheiser!
I don't think it would be any worse for vocals than the SM57, but for the vocals the best way would be to use a large diaphragm condenser mic anyway!


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post Apr 2 2009, 10:59 AM
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Nice tune, Ivan. Ill check out my budget and test both micros!

Thanks for your help
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post Apr 2 2009, 09:21 PM
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Glad to help in any way mate. Ivan may have a point in that senn mic, I haven't used it, but if he tried both of them, then it may be worth to check them both in a store, or read reviews.


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Apr 2 2009, 10:21 PM) *
Glad to help in any way mate. Ivan may have a point in that senn mic, I haven't used it, but if he tried both of them, then it may be worth to check them both in a store, or read reviews.


Try it out, I love that mic!
I bring it with me to every gig!


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