Yngwie Malmsteen Collaboration, FINAL MIX AND COMMENTS |
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Apr 3 2009, 11:18 AM
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Hi guys.
First of all I want to thank all of you for taking part in this collaboration. There are some great ideas to hear in each take and it was fun mixing it and listening. It took me 2 days to mix all this because some takes didn’t have a good sound definition. This always takes so much time to fix the frequencies and fit it in the mix. I am sorry that many didn't submit their take but I think there is really no need to be worry if some of you are not comfortable with the style. The point is to show what you can do and that way I can give you some tips how to strengthen your weak points and lead you towards the right track. Some of you are not good with picking, some with pull offs, some with the sound and some need more creativity. I have been through all these stages before and it just needs some time and practicing. It is also important to listen to music that you can learn from. I got so much inspiration by listening to great technical players and never lost my hope that I would eventually be able to play like them. Today I can pretty much play most of the things I can imagine but I am very aware that I also need to learn a lot. If you think that I am a great player then read some of Pedja's comments on instructor's collab and you will see that people can find many things I should also work on. To be honest, I learned some great things from your takes on this collab. There were some very inspirational lines and licks that I just loved listening. Therefore I suggest that you guys don't have a reason not to take part in these collabs as we are all learning, having fun and helping each other. I would also like to apologize for the text comments. I started recording video comments and after just a couple of them my camera battery charger died so I need to wait about 7 days to get the new one. It would be better if I can take my guitar and demonstrate you some licks but this time it is not possible. I will post each comment as I am finishing so let’s start with Superize  superize (0:00 - 0:39) Hi. You had some great ideas for the solo. I could hear that you pretty much made your structure in a logical way. Started with a nice opening line and later involved busier playing. This solo sounds like a mixture of well defined lines and licks connected together. The opening lick was very nice and after that you changed your guitar sound (from 0:10). Why? There was really no need for that. Your initial sound was much better and had a better definition. After that you had so much of a dirty distortion and I had to apply 2 different EQs to soften it. Your licks up to the E section were all good. I liked the way you played the 16th notes but you need to work on your picking a bit more. It wasn’t 100% precise and also your sound was limiting your cleanness. From (0:19 – 0:22) you played a nice lick 3 times in a row but you played E Phrygian instead of Phrygian Dominant. There you had a minor 3rd which is a wrong note. You only need to replace that one with the major 3rd and it would be perfect. That way you’ll end up with Phrygian Dominant. The line after that (0:22 – 0:25) was out of the scale. You finished the line on the C# note which is (major 6th from your E root). That note is not in the Phrygian Dominant formula and it sounded really dissonant. Again, after that you had some arpeggios that didn’t really fit in the scale and they sounded like you randomly chose which frets to press. The last (diminished section) was good. All dim 7 notes were correct and I wonder why you didn’t play the correct notes before this. You obviously know when something just doesn’t fit the chord progression and you could have learned a couple of patterns using the right scale over the E section. That way this solo would have sounded great as it has a really good structure. Remember, E Phrygian Dominant is the same as A Harmonic Minor you just have a different root (E) and your emphasis is not on the A note anymore when the backing enters the E chord. Apart from your scales, I would suggest practicing your picking. Take some of my Yngwie patterns on this thread, open the GP file, turn your metronome on and practice slowly but make sure it’s is precisely picked. I think you’re on a very good way to improve your technique and together with your creativity you can soon sound like a pro. Thanks for joining the collab Berko (0:39 - 1:16) This is a very cool take. It started great in a typical expressive Yngwie way of soloing. I like your guitar sound. Maybe less middle frequencies would just make a bit more of a bottom stand out but in general it had a nice definition which allows all the notes to be heard properly. Your picking is not bad at all. Still a bit dirty on some places but I am sure you can clean it up with some practicing. I can just see my self back in 1992 when I discovered this style of playing. After 1 year I used to play exactly like you It took me 2-3 years and I could have played pretty much as today. You did some A minor arpeggios a couple of times in a row but they would need to be a bit more defined in order to sound acceptable. Your sweeps were too fast, almost like you’re hitting the first and the last note of the arpeggio while all in between is not really defined. But again I used to play like that when I started You need to concentrate and do your best to execute all the notes from that arpeggio. You entered the E section with the A note. It is in the scale but it is not the strong note anymore because we are in a different section now. You should have played an E note in order to announce that we’re now in a different world called Phrygian Dominant. This way that you announced it we can’t have that impression. But from that point on you did play E Phrygian Dominant which is great. The diminished section was pretty close to be 100%. There were a couple of missed notes but sounds like you slipped by accident. I was happy to hear that you were aware of scales and you got them all like 95%. Your ideas are very good but your picking needs improvement which I am sure you can improve in a year or so. Great job Berko Caelumamittendum (1:16 - 1:53) This take has some very nice chops. The first thing I had problems with was the guitar sound. You need less middle and more treble. I did my best with a special EQ only for your track. All of you guys should take example from Sergio Dorado. His sound was the best in this collab. I almost didn’t need to touch it. Your opening line was a great idea for playing fast minor scale with hammer on and pull offs and later extending it to some tapping (if I could hear properly). All the notes were correct but your pull offs are still weak. You need to pull off much stronger to make ir sound almost like picking. That way your cleanness will be a lot better and overall impression much higher. Another great thing is the ascending scale just before the E section. This scale was just in the right time towards the high E note on which you finished and waited for the E riff to start. This is how pro guys would do it and well done for this one. All E section was nearly perfect. Picking was very good. Still a bit more precision needed but very close. The important thing is that all the notes were in the Phrygian Dominant scale and together with your cool lines it produced something very listenable The diminished section wasn’t really creative. After all that fast stuff I was expecting some more cool runs over the last B dim 7 chord but you only did a couple of long slide notes and maybe ruined a bit of the overall solo quality. It really sounded like you didn’t have more ideas how to finish. The very last A note was out of tune (it was a higher pitch) but Coffeeman overlapped with his starting line so your weird A note wasn’t that noticeable Overall I am very happy with what you delivered here. Learn some diminished shapes and keep practicing picking a bit more. You’re very close to have it perfect. Also make sure that your guitar sound has a good definition. Thanks for this nice take coffeeman (1:53 - 2:30) I think I know exactly what you wanted to do and what you had in mind. Your structure is very clever but playing needs improvement in order to transform your ideas into a great solo. I was happy to hear that you played all correct notes. Your overall control is not really strong and therefore the connection between different lines sounds nearly broken. You played some typical Yngwie licks which I liked (2:10 – 2:12). You had some nicely bended notes after that lick with a very nice vibrato. Your vibrato sounds really cool. The main thing I need to point out is that many of the lines sound a bit sloppy. You got all those notes but they are not softly connected and the rhythmical placement should be much more precise. When you start your run, you need to visualise exactly how you are going to finish that phrase so that the whole thing makes some logical sense. You always start good but the ending of the phrase is always unpredictable. Your picking is in a good developing level but needs more work. Take some simple 4 or 6 note patterns and repeat until you sound like a machine. Practice slowly and speed up as you make sure that you’re confident with the current tempo. You are not bad player at all. I think you have a very nice and solid foundation to progress fast. Just listen to music as much as you can and practice techniques in an organised way. I liked all your ideas and now you just need some time to turn them into a nice and clean solo. Thanks for playing with us Dexxter (2:30 - 3:07) Great job Dexter Very nice and creative take. Your intro was awesome with some cool hard rock licks. (2:37 – 2:40) was a simple rock lick on one string but fits great in your solo atmosphere. Your solo should be a great example that from simpler things you can still sound nice and melodic if you are creative enough. I was pretty much happy with your vibrato as well but I would make it even more aggressive so it really sounds like Yngwie. The whammy scream at the start of E section was a really cool announcement that something new is coming up. Just after that you had a nice line but it sounded more in A minor than E Phrygian Dominant because you finished that line on the A note. However the next one was the right one and well done for that. The diminished part was awesome. Very precise playing and cool patterns. I like that you managed to get out from the speed and slow down towards the end without losing any strength in that whole diminished line. This is sometimes very difficult to achieve but you showed that you really knew what you were doing. I find this take very inspirational and I was really enjoying listening to this one. Thanks for playing with us and I hope you’ll come back again and show more of your great work enforcer (3:07 - 3:44) Before I start I want to say that you have progressed 1000% since you entered my first collaboration. That makes me really happy and I am amazed with what I am hearing after your sloppy picking that you posted long ago Even at that time I knew you can do it but I predicted 7-8 months of hard work. Now you broke the record and really well done. The opening line was very nice. Just after you finished that line it sounded like you continued recording from there but your split point wasn’t connected properly. I could even see that in the graphical view of your take. That point had much thicker peak. Record from before and connect the take on some less noticeable point. Try more places until you find it. Don’t forget to use 5ms cross fade when you split the take. The Yngwie lick (3:14 – 3:17) was picked spot on Arpeggios on (3:20 – 3:21) need more work. Sweeping has to be much more defined. Use 3 string arpeggios for that and make sure you don’t go faster than needed. Count the notes and their rhythmical placement so that your arpeggios sound as good as the rest. E section started very nice with some longer notes. Your vibrato on the longer notes needs to be more consistent. I told you before when you vibrating or bending you bend too much and it almost sounds slightly out of tune. Be more careful there. Tremolo picking on one string was awesome. I really liked that and you kept great rhythmical consistency in that line. The diminished part had some great patterns (typical Yngwie) and you picked them all almost perfect. Great stuff Gilmore (3:44 - 4:21) This is a very nice take. Very good melody flow and pretty good control. I would advise a tiny bit more distortion (drive) on your sound. Your sound was good enough but 15% more distortion will allow you to sound more in style. Your vibrato need more work. It’s too fast and sound nervous. It has to be vibrated in the 8th notes movement and much wider. Also be careful when vibrating to go back to the initial point so your note doesn’t sound out of tune. I told the same to Enforcer. All your notes were pretty much in right scales. There was one place in the E section where you hit a minor 3rd (4:07) which sounded like a little shock as that note is not in Phrygian Dominant. You should have gone for a major 3rd. After that you had a very nice run with fast tremolo picking. This stuff always works when used in the right moment. Also in this one you had one G note (minor 3rd) but not that noticeable as the previous one as this is the part of a strong unit (the whole fast run). Just be careful about these little things and the rest was all good. The diminished section was simple but very nicely structured. Great job Gilmore Kjutte (4:21 - 4:58) This take has a very nice structure and some cool notes used. You showed with the opening line that you were really trying to play in Yngwie style. All those licks are typical neoclassical licks and I am happy to hear that you were serious about staying in the right style. Your A minor section was really good but in the E section you had more sloppy runs. Everything is put well together but needs a cleaner playing. Practice your picking. You need to pick as many notes as you press. If you pick more than you press then it sounds a bit dirty. Practicing simple patterns in a slow tempo will help you for this. I spent months practicing this but later it was all well worth. You just need to be more accurate and with your nice ideas it should all sound great. The diminished part had a very cool chromatic approach. I really liked when I heard some passing notes in between the diminished shapes. They added a bit more strength and aggression which works very well in this last part. You are a very talented player and I can only suggest that you organise your practice sessions everyday for this kind of stuff. The rest will come along. Well done lcsdds (4:58 - 5:34) Great take Monte Very well controlled from beginning until the end. It is very nice to hear how well you developed this solo knowing that you weren’t really into neoclassical style of playing before. All your patterns are structured almost to perfection. It would be nice to hear at least one picked run instead of tapped but I remember you said before you will be working on that more and more. I really hope that soon I will have a chance to hear some AP chops from you. I am sure that you’re a well ogranised player when it comes to practicing so no need to explain what you should work on and what the right way of getting there is. Of course if you have any questions feel free to ask and I am here to help at anytime. I won’t comment much about your playing as it was all great. There are just a tiny rhythm placement issues but nothing to worry about that much. I am sure you are aware of that. The very last note could have been a bit longer, sounds like you really cut it. Now I want to tell you about the recording. Your take was stereo but only one channel had audio on it, either R or L. Import it back in your DAW and you’ll see it. I fixed that easily with just one plugin but be careful how you are recording. Another thing you did (and Kjutte did the same thing but I forgot to tell him) is that you posted your youtube video take and left only your solo track for me. I really need your mix with the backing so I can match the take according to my backing. I need to hear the initial click and that’s my guide for alignment in the project. After I align that then I can move your take forward on the right place and get rid of your take with the backing leaving just a solo part. This way I had to record the sound from youtube on a separate track and match your solo according to that and then both of those match with my backing Sometimes I can miss 20 or more milliseconds by doing that and it might sound right to me but you may hear that that’s not what you played. Apart from this, you’re an awesome player and keep up the good work. It will be honor to have you again in the next collab. Well done Sense (5:35 - 6:11) For this take I need to think where to start from I guess from the beginning. This take sounds like you have serious difficulties to alternate pick when playing fast. You tried to play through the whole take as fast as possible but you hardly had any of the runs well defined. Your picking needs some serious cleaning up starting with beginner AP exercises. You have the speed but not the cleanness. You need to make sure that you pick as many notes as you press. Picking faster than that produces a bunch of mess and your whole melodic line loses the definition. I really suggest starting with some simple 6 note patterns on 2 strings but very slowly. Don’t run away from metronome. This is really important. Start from 60bpm and play 8th notes until you are 1000% sure that your 8th notes don’t need more work. After that set your tempo to 70bpm and speed up gradually. If you want, I can send you some AP exercises in Guitar Pro file and monitor your progress over time. I am very happy to help in any way. Enforcer is a great example that something like this is very achievable. When he submitted his first take for my first collab, it really sounded very dirty. Read my comments on his take now and see what I told him. In just 3-4 months he is picking million times cleaner and he seems to be very happy about it. You can probably play some good stuff in some different style of music but here you sounded like you were really struggling. If you knew that you wouldn’t feel comfortable with fast stuff, you could have played something as twice as slow (something in 8th notes) and I would be very happy with that. There were many interesting examples in this collaboration showing that you can sound very melodic and neoclassical even when you’re not shredding. That would have been much easier solution for producing a better take. Now about the scales. Because your playing wasn’t clean enough, I am not sure I could precisely hear what scales you were playing. I could hear some notes here and there and I think that most of the time you were not staying in the right scale. In the first part I said there should be A Harmonic Minor. You were somewhere around that scale but not really keeping your note choice within the scale all the time. In the E section there should have been E Phrygian Dominant (the same scale as A Harmonic Minor just the root changes to E) and I could hardly recognize that your emphasis was on the E root from that point on. There were also some arpeggio attempts but again not clean enough and the whole solo was like one long messy run without a logical definition. I am really not trying to be strict or anything, just want to help and give you some good advices. I would like to know for how long you have been playing guitar. Maybe that will give me better picture how to look at your playing. Contact me via PM if you need these exercises and we can start slowly with an organised program for maybe a couple of months. I give you my word that you will be surprised about what can be done in just a short period of time and from there you will probably be able to continue yourself. After that I will make sure that I produce a backing for one of my next collaborations where you can demonstrate everything you learned. I am sure my comments will then be 100% positive but only if you are serious and have at least an hour a day to practice without losing continuity. Anyway thanks for joining the collab and I hope you will get some of my advices friendly. The decision is 100% yours Sergio Dorado (6:12 - 6:48) Awesome take Sergio First of all let me say that your guitar sound was the best here. I almost didn’t need to do anything to it. There was a general EQ applied to all takes but most of them had one more only for their part. Your one didn’t need that at all. Great distortion type and amount of drive. Great definition and color. Your playing is close to perfect. You could be just 10% more precise with rhythm placement when doing very fast scales but this can easily be fixed in a very short period of time. Your picking was nearly perfect. Maybe on a couple of places wasn’t 100% precise but very close. The best part was in the E section (6:34 – 6:40). There were some beautiful patterns played so confident and powerful. You even added a pinched harmonic at one place and this whole part sounded just awesome. Everything else was just as great. You are a true talent and I always enjoy listening to your creativity. It is also good to have you here because I often use your take as an example for some cool things that the others can learn from Really no need to comment much, just well done and you know that you are always welcome to participate Chris Evans (6:49 - 7:25) Not bad at all Chris Actually very very good. This take is one of great examples that slow notes can produce some great melodic lines and still sound neoclassical. The first part was very good. All your ideas were in the right scale but the connection between lines could have been just a bit more creative. You play a couple of notes and you stop on some long note in an unexpected way. That’s just a stylistic and individual thing but I would just develop these lines a bit more spicy and connect them smoother. E section = great. Long notes with whammy bar licks were just like coming from space Really great way of making your solo not to sound repetitive. This part you controlled so well and it really sounded very powerful. The last diminished part was just as great but the very last (closing) lick was a bit sloppy. You can spend some more time working on your alternate picking and you can quickly clean those little parts. Other than this I really don’t have much to say. Always nice to have you with us, so keep them coming and well done for this one Tolek (7:26 - 8:06) Good job Tolek but very dirty We spoke about this before and I know that you’re still not very comfortable with AP. It sounds like you’re on a good way to get it right soon. I have seen many of your other takes on lessons and still remember you from previous collab. I know you’re a very talented player but still in a strong developing phase. You can always ask for any advice if you need some AP exercises. I said the same to Sense. There are many lessons that can help you clean your picking but doing exercises first will even speed up the process. Of course you shouldn’t stop playing songs and lessons at the same time. I was happy to hear that all your notes were in all right scales. The one string lick (7:30 – 7:35) wasn’t really rhythmically placed tight. Make sure you follow the tempo like a programmed machine E section was much better and there were some nice lines. What happened on (7:54)? There was a long break for a whole second. Sounds like you started recording from there but this was very noticeable and totally unexpected in a bunch of fast lines just to stop like that. I am sure that was some recording issue but I’ll forgive you this time The last diminished part was really good all the way until the end. All your ideas are nice and you just need to get your technique to the point to be able to transform your ideas into some great playing. I liked what you delivered here and it was nice to hear this amount of creativity. Great work
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Apr 3 2009, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ Apr 3 2009, 11:22 AM)  Not good to hear about your broken camera battery.  R.I.P Battery...  I personally prefer a video comment and have no problems with waiting until you get one. But you can do as you like. You´re the teacher and I´m the student. I´m looking forward to the comments. Really sorry about that. This the new camera and really shame that the charger broke now. They don't have it in stock so they ordered from somewhere else. I need to wait 7 days for the new one. Guys, how do you like the mix? After 2 days of mixing I really lost the sense for hearing what's good and what not The mix really killed me.
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Apr 3 2009, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Apr 3 2009, 11:46 AM) Great job Emir, sorry for the camera! Hope you'll use it on the next collab of yours  Well I believe the mix is ok there was only one thing that hit my ear around 5k and 10k was a little too precise, just all the crashes and hihats are all around the place. But I must add I am not in front of my reference monitors so maybe this is about my end of the equation. Cheers! And looking forward for my comments You're probably right I am really destroyed with listening to this so I couldn't hear what you hear with fresh ears Thanks for pointing it out.
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Apr 3 2009, 11:59 AM
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I feel my take is outplayed and outcomposed by everyone else. Sorry for just improvising on this, Emir!
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Apr 3 2009, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Sergio Dorado @ Apr 3 2009, 11:48 AM) I think the mix works very well. I supose is not easy to equalize so many traks with different guitar sounds. It´s a cool mix Thank you Sergio. Well done for your sound. This is what I wrote to Caelumamittendum "All of you guys should take example from Sergio Dorado. His sound was the best in this collab. I almost didn’t need to touch it." QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Apr 3 2009, 11:59 AM) I feel my take is outplayed and outcomposed by everyone else. Sorry for just improvising on this, Emir! Well I didn't really think that way. Read your comment and you'll see that I liked the most of it
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Apr 3 2009, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Apr 3 2009, 01:32 PM) Thanks for the comments bro! For the future I'll define my priorities as following:1-Vibrato workout 2-Vibrato workout 3-even more Vibrato workout 4-and Vibrato workout 5-Sweep picking arpeggios Cheers! Great collab, looking forward to next one! Good man You're a true talent. Clean up that stuff and you're gonna sound like a pro very soon. I really liked your take
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Apr 3 2009, 02:42 PM
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Damn i dident really realise i was that much out of the key...... I have been working on you Yngwie licks and hopefully i can learn how to use them in my solos
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Apr 3 2009, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ Apr 3 2009, 02:39 PM) Awesome collab Emir. The mixing is just perfect. And really nice takes , I enjoyed it a lot. Listening to my take , now I think I could made a better work, I really donrt like my take. But Im practicngo hard and Ill make a better job next time. Thanks for the comments and for making the collab Emir. I am sure you will man You're on a great way to become a good player. Well done for the take and thanks for joining.QUOTE (superize @ Apr 3 2009, 02:42 PM) Damn i dident really realise i was that much out of the key...... I have been working on you Yngwie licks and hopefully i can learn how to use them in my solos Those things happen, don't worry much but of course be a bit more careful. There were many other cool things I heard. Cheers
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Apr 3 2009, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (Gilmore @ Apr 3 2009, 03:06 PM) Thanks for the comments Emir, and sorry about your camera. About my sound, I recorded with another settings, but at the last minute I changed the amps and all the settings in Guitar Rig, because I thought this sounded more Neo classic and more fuller, than my usual metal sound, but I agree it needs more distortion. Thanks for the vibrato tip, I´m aware of that problem, I need to work on it more. But I´m a lazy guitarist, and I almost never practice, just pick up some tunes and never really work on them. I need to be more focused when I´m practicing. Thanks for a great collab everyone, many great recordings here. Thanks Gilmore. Your take was really cool. You can at least make 1 hour a day for practicing. It's fun. I used to like it a lot and always makes me happy when I realise that I am progressing. Cheers ------------------------ Sorry for waiting guys, I was a bit more active on the other thread "copy kills music" I need a little break and I will continue with the comments. The next one is Monte - great take
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Apr 3 2009, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ Apr 3 2009, 03:52 PM) Thanks Emir for all the comments (I've read the others as well)! I like the nice touch of reverb you put on my dry tone - that's what I expected The mix is alright for me, I understand it's almost impossible to get an even tone for all the takes.I'm pretty much aware of the lack of creativity in my take... as a matter of fact I'm not really a fan of neoclassic stuff but the backing track somehow inspired my to give it a go and push my boundaries in shredding. This style provides many great ideas for the guitar so I guess this collab really was for my benefit. Looking forward to the other comments as well I am happy to hear all this I think you're a very talented player and discovering new styles of playing can only help you develop quicker. Thanks for joining the collab
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just have to keep practising as always 
 
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