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Ramblingman
post Apr 3 2009, 06:06 PM
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Say for instance i got a melody goiong on vokal...the problem i got here you see....

1. My band mate always start singing songs i never heard before, and i aint got a clue what chords i could play, because i cannot the song

2. How do i analyse , and what should i listen to when finding a chord proggession to fit his singing ??? mega help her guys biggrin.gif

3. This is a big help, because then we can ,make songs you know!.

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Ramiro Delforte
post Apr 3 2009, 07:06 PM
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Well mate, your problems are because your ear is not trainned yet.

The hard way to do this is to get millions of songs by ear so when you have a melody you'll listen the chords beneath that melody and viceversa, when you have a progression you can hear many possible melodies.
I think the easy way is to study ear training with some method.
There are many, Zoltan Kodaly, David Lucas Burge, I think Berklee has one of their own...
Those methods train your ear in a way you'll recognice the melody and the harmony below that melody.

I hope this helps...

Oh, I almost forgot, obviously that you can get tabs and play songs and be really really aware of the melody and the harmony in that way you also will help your ear to develop


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post Apr 3 2009, 07:39 PM
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Ramiro is right, spending some work around actually trying to find chord progressions for melodies will increase your ability to find harmonies that match with your bandmate's vocal line. Do some exercises at home, like singing a simple vocal melody, recording it, and then trying to invent some cool chord progressions following that melody. After a while you will develop this skill nicely. The important thing is to know all the chords within a key, not the notes, but intervals, so you can recognize the different voicings in relation to each other within your head, and know where they are on the fretboard. This isn't so difficult as it may sounds, just have to work on it a bit.


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post Apr 3 2009, 07:45 PM
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Ramiro. Can u tell me how to train by the "David Lucas Burge"-method? should i strum a note and listen to the charackteristics or how does it work?
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post Apr 3 2009, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Frederik @ Apr 3 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Ramiro. Can u tell me how to train by the "David Lucas Burge"-method? should i strum a note and listen to the charackteristics or how does it work?


I think this is what he means.
http://www.perfectpitch.com/home.htm


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post Apr 3 2009, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (Chokehold @ Apr 3 2009, 09:03 PM) *
I think this is what he means.
http://www.perfectpitch.com/home.htm


Ty, I have been through that smile.gif but i dont have 120 $ for that right now
If someone (ramiro) could tell me the basic principals i would me delighted

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post Apr 3 2009, 11:14 PM
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Tnx for fast reply biggrin.gif

Tnx again biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif , this relly did the trick for me, im signed for the david lucas hehe...But how long do you think before it starts working ?
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post Apr 3 2009, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Frederik @ Apr 3 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Ramiro. Can u tell me how to train by the "David Lucas Burge"-method? should i strum a note and listen to the charackteristics or how does it work?


David Lucas Burge has two methods:

- Perfect pitch Ear Training
- Relative pitch Ear Training

I was refering to his relative pitch since the perfect pitch won't solve Ramblingman's problems.

But if you're refering to the Perfect Pitch he has the whole course to explain how to train the ear to hear the "colours" of the notes. At the begining of the course for example, he gives you a hint about this, he says "the F# sounds twiny" or the "Eb sounds mellow" if you concentrate you can hear these things. In the course he explains the way you can develop this kind of hearing.

I hope this helps smile.gif


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post Apr 4 2009, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ Apr 4 2009, 12:35 AM) *
David Lucas Burge has two methods:

- Perfect pitch Ear Training
- Relative pitch Ear Training

I was refering to his relative pitch since the perfect pitch won't solve Ramblingman's problems.

But if you're refering to the Perfect Pitch he has the whole course to explain how to train the ear to hear the "colours" of the notes. At the begining of the course for example, he gives you a hint about this, he says "the F# sounds twiny" or the "Eb sounds mellow" if you concentrate you can hear these things. In the course he explains the way you can develop this kind of hearing.

I hope this helps smile.gif


Have you taken this course? if it really works im really tempted to save up for it,. hoped that there was some easy trick, that you could teach me, but seems like it cant be explained in few words wink.gif

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post Apr 6 2009, 06:15 AM
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The only trick is to hear the quality of the note, as I've mentioned Burge says that the F# sounds "twainy" so you have to hear that every time, on every instrument and even without any instrument. That reference is the secret of the perfect pitch acording to his course.
In the course he develops that obviously, with exercises.


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post Apr 6 2009, 06:32 AM
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David Lucas Burge courses are great, I definitely recommend you get them both !
First relative then perfect pitch smile.gif


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post Apr 14 2009, 05:44 PM
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That method seems nice... but expansive. Not sure I should buy it right now.

I searched a bit on Google and the problematic of perfect pitch seems to be very discussed over the internet :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch
http://www.aruffo.com/eartraining/myths.htm

It's probably already described on this site but, personally, when I am trying to find notes to jam on a song my friends play, I play the aeolian pentatonic scales with a tonic from A to G and I am trying to figure out which one sound nice. When you find the one that sound nice then it's probably a good start for a jam.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=3160

You can then probably, with a bit of work, luck and ear, use a Circle of 5th (I knew that circle with the name Circle of Knowledge) or something...

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=4582

Not sure this helps though...

This is pretty old for me. I need to read those articles for myself as well. wink.gif


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post Apr 15 2009, 09:56 AM
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You can do ear training on this website for free : www.musictheory.net


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