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post Apr 10 2009, 06:50 PM
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To train my ears a bit I'm trying to transcribe für elise myself. I've already gotten relatively far (17 measures) by just playing it by ear (I'm stuck right now but thats another problem). Now, after writing it down I saw a "problem" in how I played it. I played the intro like this: E, Eb, E, Eb, E, B, ... and it sounds right. The key is clearly A minor, which wikipedia confirms. But A minor doesn't have any flats and or sharps. So I looked at the sheet music, and it shows it as D# too!

So is the intro just not diatonic or am I missing something?

Thanks,
Jonas

PS: I'll post my transcription for everybody to review and or learn as soon as I'm done smile.gif

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post Apr 10 2009, 10:39 PM
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Thats correct, melody in the beginning includes D# note. That note does not belong to basic A minor scale or Harmonic nor melodic minor.
That note is rather considered to be APPROACH NOTE to CHORD TONE which is in this case E note (5th of A minor chord).
This is very common in jazz music as well as in classical music.
Hope that helps !

Edit : One more thing, its also known to be CHROMATIC APPROACH as it is approaching chord tone (or target tone) by half step !

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post Apr 11 2009, 01:33 AM
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Thank you very much Pedja. I haven't heard of this concept before but it makes sense. smile.gif


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post Apr 11 2009, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (29a @ Apr 11 2009, 02:33 AM) *
Thank you very much Pedja. I haven't heard of this concept before but it makes sense. smile.gif


You welcome Jonas. Its fairly common technique for composers and improvisers wink.gif


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post Apr 13 2009, 12:22 AM
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Für Elise relies a lot on A harmonic minor.


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post Apr 15 2009, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (Oxac @ Apr 13 2009, 01:22 AM) *
Für Elise relies a lot on A harmonic minor.


There is a part that goes C G F E. First two chords (C and G) are from A natural minor while F and E are harmonic minor.
So it is safe to say that there is modal interchange in Fur Elise smile.gif


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