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post Apr 15 2009, 12:28 AM
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Seems to me it makes kids develop an interest for guitar, and if not great guitar music at least, I don't think it is a bad thing, I played it, it was fun, but I am not really good at it, it is just a game that is all.


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post Apr 15 2009, 12:32 AM
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Of course there is nothing wrong with playing games, but keep in mind there are plenty of games which are far more challenging(and benefical) then GH, like chess.
For me GH is just a game(did anyone see the South Park episode of GH? laugh.gif )
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I don't think anyone would dispute the potential there.

Depending on the book.

Looked at the books for your adults lately?

The original statement regarding books was: don't be a video game couch potato, read books instead.

Which,and I don't think I'm alone here, could be one of the silliest statements I have ever read.


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post Apr 15 2009, 01:34 AM
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I think it boils down to the definition of a "couch potato"
In reference to one being physically inactive, sitting reading a book isn't a physically strenuous activity but stereotypically a couch potato refers to laziness, in all aspects, so images of one often involve a slob of some sort watching rubbish on TV.
Reading a good book atleast requires some brain activity and use of the imagination but in terms of getting that toned slender look and healthy pumping heart - reading about a healthy lifestyle does not make you healthy

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post Apr 15 2009, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE (Artemus @ Apr 14 2009, 07:34 PM) *
I think it boils down to the definition of a "couch potato"
In reference to one being physically inactive, sitting reading a book isn't a physically strenuous activity but stereotypically a couch potato refers to laziness, in all aspects, so images of one often involve a slob of some sort watching rubbish on TV.


Coach potato has mental and physical aspects, they go hand and hand. Don't separate the mental and physical aspects.

A book was written awhile back, and although now dated (it centered on the TV rather than all the stuff that has been added now to keep the public entertained), but the premise still applies. You can read reviews on Amazon to get the premise. But I think the picture is worth a thousand words. Rather than just a TV, stick video games and internet crap there also. I have none of it, killed my TV 4 years ago. I strongly feel that the more exposure you have to the modern media entertainment culture that we live in, the less you are for it.

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Here is an interesting site, volunteers do the readings. You are what you put into your mind. And it will show in your music. When I see a guy play, I know all about him, I know about all the teachers, not having met one, just by how they play. You expose your intellect when you play. I believe that every person who wants to really be an accomplished musician, should also be very literate, have read the classics. You don't have time for video games. Albert Einstein was an accomplished violinist b.t.w., took it everywhere with him.

He said once "keep things as simple as possible, but no simpler". I apply that to my music.

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post Apr 15 2009, 03:08 AM
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have read the classics


I hate this statement.

What makes a classic?



My point remains. Reading doesn't remove someone from the couch potato sedentary status. Sit around and push buttons, turn pages, whatever.... A couch potato is a couch potato is a couch potato.

Spending all your free time reading is worse for you than mmorpgs. At least there you have social contact.

Am I knocking reading?

No. Not at all.

I just laugh at people who think its the be all end all answer. You know how much CRAP there is in printed form?

Lots.... But people dont get all uptight about it since there arent pictures. Kids are reading books that should be rated R and they are 14. But since its READING dumbass parents think its all just fine.....

Just cuz its printed doens't make it noble.


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What Mr. Siepen said.
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post Apr 15 2009, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (jer @ Apr 15 2009, 04:08 AM) *
I hate this statement.

What makes a classic?



My point remains. Reading doesn't remove someone from the couch potato sedentary status. Sit around and push buttons, turn pages, whatever.... A couch potato is a couch potato is a couch potato.

Spending all your free time reading is worse for you than mmorpgs. At least there you have social contact.

Am I knocking reading?

No. Not at all.

I just laugh at people who think its the be all end all answer. You know how much CRAP there is in printed form?

Lots.... But people dont get all uptight about it since there arent pictures. Kids are reading books that should be rated R and they are 14. But since its READING dumbass parents think its all just fine.....

Just cuz its printed doens't make it noble.


Reading is worse for you than mmorpgs? How you come up with that? Social contact?? You pretend to be someone you're not and interact with other people pretending.

I am a reader, I read a couple of books every week, I have done so my entire life. I tried to come up with an explanation on how much more information about the world you get from books that was not the actual intent of the book but it just comes with it but I can't explain what I mean smile.gif

I am also a gamer. I played Q1 online the same month it was released. I have won the European championship in Quake3 4-man team (in a quite small mod but still) and finished second the year after. It is social but to say I "know" anyone in the game is just not true. I do have one friend from Quake3 after playing 4 years of active Quake. Had I spent that time with real people in a real sport I would have made more friends that that in 4 years I am sure smile.gif

I am also a MMORPG player. I started in -96 with meridian59, the first "3d" graphic MMORPG. I played EQ from beta3 until release of WoW which I played until we finished BWL back when that was the endgame (2 years or so ago?). I had one year absence from MMORPG's when my first son was born in these 11 years. I have no "friends" left from MMORPG's, once you finished playing they go away, I kept in contact with a few but we have no other similar interests.

What I am trying to say is that from Reading I have a value left. I have learned a lot and since I am a "skilled reader" or whatever you call it I can also learn new things faster and easier. From gaming I have no value left. I have one person I talk to on MSN a lot and the only thing I learned from it is to play that specific game.

There is ofcourse for some people that have problems socializing with people in RL good value in mmorpgs but to say that it is better than reading, I just can't agree.

About guitar hero.. GOOD of course. It is a game that makes you listen to nice music. Listen, not play. If you like it, play it...

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There is a value in MMORPG's that I forgot to mention! It's FUN! It's very much fun or I wouldn't have played it for 10-11 years. What I meant is that there is no value left after you stopped playing

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post Apr 15 2009, 07:24 AM
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Ok kids, let's not fight.

I like GH just for simple reason it's slowly killing off Rap music. Most high school kids now listen to real music, when I graduated it was all about 50 Cent, and Jay-Z. Now THAT stuff is complete crap.

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I don't know if it really helps as a guitar player, but I got a lot of business from that game for sure!
Probably 50 per cent of my students started because of the game...


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post Apr 15 2009, 01:50 PM
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I didnt say mmorpgs are better than reading.

I said if you spent ALL of your free time in one or the other at least mmorpgs involve socializing and contact with other people.

Reading the printed word does not be default lead to intelligence. Go to the beach. Look at all the reading going on. Are these the greatest minds of our generation? I see a lot of fluff romance books laying there.

There are just as many garbage books as there are worthless tv shows, probably more.

Ad whats a classic? A story of a whale and a captain? Sounds like something my kid would read.

Fiction, in any form, is just that. Fiction. I dont care if its Shakespeare, Stephen King, or Jackie Collins. Why is reading Othello any better than some modern trashy erotic thriller? Is it really any differnet? Or have we been brainwashed by the schools to think that its somehow more noble because its Shakespeare?

Do you give your mind more of a workout imagining the scenes yourself as you read vs watching tv? Sure. But in the end you are in the land of make believe. All by yourself. Laying on the couch. Just like the guy watching Jerry Springer.

Its all entertainment.

Sure you can learn things reading. And you can learn things watching the discovery channel too.

I just dont buy that I'm smarter than you because I am holding a book, you are holding the TV Guide, crap. And I'll take the physical health, social roundedness and metabolism of a 16 yr old who plays Rock Band with his friends after school EVERY DAY for 4 hours vs the kid down the street locked in his room reading all night, alone.

If after 5 years of that one of them was discovered to be a violent offender, which one would your money be on?


Like I said a lot of posts ago, its all about balance. Too much of one thing is just that. Unbalanced and too much. Even reading.



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QUOTE (Koopid @ Apr 15 2009, 02:01 AM) *
About guitar hero.. GOOD of course. It is a game that makes you listen to nice music. Listen, not play. If you like it, play it...


I'd rather just buy the artist's CD and play my real guitar. But thats just my opinion of course.


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM) *
I'd rather just buy the artist's CD and play my real guitar. But thats just my opinion of course.


Sure, me too. But that doesn't mean its right for everyone. Guitar Hero seems to be a fun game, I can't see anything wrong with it like so many guitarists seem to do...

QUOTE (jer @ Apr 15 2009, 02:50 PM) *
I didnt say mmorpgs are better than reading.

I said if you spent ALL of your free time in one or the other at least mmorpgs involve socializing and contact with other people.

Reading the printed word does not be default lead to intelligence. Go to the beach. Look at all the reading going on. Are these the greatest minds of our generation? I see a lot of fluff romance books laying there.

There are just as many garbage books as there are worthless tv shows, probably more.

Ad whats a classic? A story of a whale and a captain? Sounds like something my kid would read.

Fiction, in any form, is just that. Fiction. I dont care if its Shakespeare, Stephen King, or Jackie Collins. Why is reading Othello any better than some modern trashy erotic thriller? Is it really any differnet? Or have we been brainwashed by the schools to think that its somehow more noble because its Shakespeare?

Do you give your mind more of a workout imagining the scenes yourself as you read vs watching tv? Sure. But in the end you are in the land of make believe. All by yourself. Laying on the couch. Just like the guy watching Jerry Springer.

Its all entertainment.

Sure you can learn things reading. And you can learn things watching the discovery channel too.

I just dont buy that I'm smarter than you because I am holding a book, you are holding the TV Guide, crap. And I'll take the physical health, social roundedness and metabolism of a 16 yr old who plays Rock Band with his friends after school EVERY DAY for 4 hours vs the kid down the street locked in his room reading all night, alone.

If after 5 years of that one of them was discovered to be a violent offender, which one would your money be on?


Like I said a lot of posts ago, its all about balance. Too much of one thing is just that. Unbalanced and too much. Even reading.


I never said you were smarter because you read... I say that it simulates you in different ways. Reading takes more effort than TV. A well written book that makes you think takes more effort than a trashy erotic book or the TV-guide. But as everything else, its not for everyone. Some people enjoy TV more so they should watch TV. If you like erotic novels, read them...

Do I say reading a lot makes me smarter or more intelligent? No, I don't because I don't think it does. I don't think knowledge equals intelligence either.

Infact I am quite sure I never said anything about reading books and intelligence? I said that I think its better for you in the long run than playing MMORPG's. I still do, even if you did spend ALL of your free time on it.. I have done both, reading all my free time and gaming all my free time.


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Sorry if I wasnt clear, I'm not saying you said those things.

I'm commenting more on fKalich's position. And those that put books on a pedestal as if they have magic powers that improve intelligence and credibility over video games, television, the internet, whatever... To me thats an all too common stance. I think its ludicrous.


That point of view was mainly found here:
( https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=367481 )

Specifically to your comment I was saying that I feel that someone who spends 100% of their time in a book, is going to be at a social disadvantage to someone who spends 100% of their time in a mmorpg setting. Its the solitary vs social aspect. Humans are a social entity. Being cut off from the world (any world) like that isnt healthy.

Thats my point.

To summarize my point of view (which is just that, MY point of view) Books arent better than anything else. Crap can be printed, and it sure is, just as it can be filmed. I think people that sit behind a book and accuse others of wasting time hitting A,B,X,Y, buttons or watching television are nothing short of full of themselves. What makes your hobby better than anyone elses? Get over yourself. If someone wants to spend their free time playing a video game, who cares? Why are you threatened that the controller looks like a guitar? Are you afraid they'll get all the girls? Does it bother you that they are having the fun of playing the game without all the tedious guitar practice? Has anyone EVER heard anyone claim to have real guitar skills after spending some time with a Guitar hero controller? Personally I think the guitarists of the world that are bothered by this need to take some tips from the football players out there. You dont see them all up in arms about people playing John Madden football on the Playstation.

The facts remain that a LOT more real guitars are being sold. A LOT more real guitar lessons are being given. There are tab books for the songs in the games for sale. Why would anyone need that? You know why, cuz these games are spawning REAL GUITAR players. How people can say these games arent good eludes me. Getting kids into music via a game? GENIUS!!!!!

Again, just my opinion, not directed at anyone in particular.


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When I first played guitar hero I had not heard of Eric Johnson, but his song Cliffs of dover was in the game and he became one of my favorites smile.gif
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