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post May 21 2009, 12:10 AM
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Rhythmic displacement is one of the coolest concepts I've ever learned. You can get TONS of mileage out of your "patterns" this way. That pattern that Jose played can be phrased a MILLION different ways and sound totally different based on the groupings. smile.gif

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post May 21 2009, 06:56 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 01:59 AM) *
Try this in 160bpm smile.gif That's how the lick should be played

The point is to play every pull off perfectly but real and strong pull off like classical players, not just removing your finger from a string. I get tired until I reach the 5th string and still can't make it properly even in 140bpm.

Coool biggrin.gif I will try this again and again! And hard pull-ofs is always a problem at speed :|

Omg, that exercise is killing ;O What fingering do you use? And who can play this on 160?

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post May 21 2009, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (AlexLion @ May 21 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Coool biggrin.gif I will try this again and again! And hard pull-ofs is always a problem at speed :|

Omg, that exercise is killing ;O What fingering do you use? And who can play this on 160?


My teacher was a master of those weird exercises. He could repeat it 20 times with no problem smile.gif


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post May 21 2009, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 09:42 AM) *
My teacher was a master of those weird exercises. He could repeat it 20 times with no problem smile.gif


Was it Baxter or? smile.gif


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post May 21 2009, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Jose Mena @ May 20 2009, 11:57 PM) *
One of the hardest things I practice often is playing patterns that are commonly use in a specific note time duration, and play it in a different time duration.

This is a very simple concept, but with certain licks or riffs it is hard to apply, however when you are able to do so, I often find a new lick, actually not new but with a totally different feel just because of the timing. This allows me to experiment with phrasing a lot.


Really cool how exact same notes can sound completely different! Very useful thing, I`ll try to use on other patterns as well!

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 10:42 AM) *
My teacher was a master of those weird exercises. He could repeat it 20 times with no problem smile.gif

It must be Yngwie himself... Is Your teacher famous?!
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post May 21 2009, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 21 2009, 08:44 AM) *
Was it Baxter or? smile.gif


John Wheatcroft, left handed guy. Baxter could also do it


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post May 21 2009, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 09:47 AM) *
John Wheatcroft, left handed guy. Baxter could also do it


Ah ok, thanks. smile.gif

Btw, I still can't find a single Baxter's video on Youtube??


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post May 21 2009, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 10:47 AM) *
John Wheatcroft, left handed guy. Baxter could also do it

Cool, he is on Myspace! I`m listening to his track right now! By the way he is not so popular as You tongue.gif That happens I think, that teachers are not known at all, but their students become world famous smile.gif
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 21 2009, 08:49 AM) *
Ah ok, thanks. smile.gif

Btw, I still can't find a single Baxter's video on Youtube??


That guy hates to be exposed. I don't think you will find any. Maybe we'll be lucky and see him when you come to London. The only thing you can hear is in Guitar Techniques but that's not as good as if you watch him playing live.


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 09:56 AM) *
That guy hates to be exposed. I don't think you will find any. Maybe we'll be lucky and see him when you come to London. The only thing you can hear is in Guitar Techniques but that's not as good as if you watch him playing live.


It's not even about being exposed at all, guy is a GHOST!!! smile.gif


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QUOTE (AlexLion @ May 21 2009, 08:54 AM) *
Cool, he is on Myspace! I`m listening to his track right now! By the way he is not so popular as You tongue.gif That happens I think, that teachers are not known at all, but their students become world famous smile.gif


There was a topic about that. I explained why I wouldn't like to be a full time teacher. None of them have a good career because that job is 24/7. When some famous guy comes to do a clinic at school, he usually looks at the floor in front of those teachers smile.gif Sad but true

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It's not even about being exposed at all, guy is a GHOST!!! smile.gif

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Baxter is a one of the greatest guitarist I've ever heard, but fact, he is a ghost. smile.gif


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post May 21 2009, 10:41 AM
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Come on, give us more fingerbreaking stuff!
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post May 21 2009, 11:08 AM
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Fingerbreaking? Do you want to end up like this?


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post May 21 2009, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (Jesse @ May 21 2009, 01:08 PM) *
Fingerbreaking? Do you want to end up like this?

Nothing unusual biggrin.gif
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post May 21 2009, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 20 2009, 06:59 PM) *
Try this in 160bpm smile.gif That's how the lick should be played

The point is to play every pull off perfectly but real and strong pull off like classical players, not just removing your finger from a string. I get tired until I reach the 5th string and still can't make it properly even in 140bpm.


I'd like to see what you mean, to tell you the truth this looks like nothing compared to your lessons


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QUOTE (Jose Mena @ May 21 2009, 01:11 PM) *
I'd like to see what you mean, to tell you the truth this looks like nothing compared to your lessons


Sometimes I come across some stuff that much less experienced people can play with no problem and I find my self just like a beginner when I try smile.gif This topic is about those that we have trouble with smile.gif This exercise was one of those. I can play it after a while but not in 160bpm just as I take guitar. Maybe for some of you guys this doesn't look that difficult. The point is that your pull off has to be clean, strong and sharp as ice. This reverse pattern 12-p-8---12-p-10 is one of the harder ones for me.


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 08:44 AM) *
Sometimes I come across some stuff that much less experienced people can play with no problem and I find my self just like a beginner when I try smile.gif This topic is about those that we have trouble with smile.gif This exercise was one of those. I can play it after a while but not in 160bpm just as I take guitar. Maybe for some of you guys this doesn't look that difficult. The point is that your pull off has to be clean, strong and sharp as ice. This reverse pattern 12-p-8---12-p-10 is one of the harder ones for me.


I see, I tried the pattern it looks simpler than it is, I can see where one would get tired, but I consider the patterns you did in your Symphony X style lesson almost next to impossible.

This one is a pattern that has caused me pain, I heard it from Michael Angelo and have not been able to play it for some reason, and it looks simple, I am pretty sure others can, but my mind has a block against it.

It is all 16th notes. all alternate picking, if I have to play it, I do some legato, I cannot alternate pick this one above 140 bpm (I haven't actually measured it just an estimate). Rhythm displacement happens here that is why what seems to be a repetitive pattern feels weird.



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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 08:47 AM) *
John Wheatcroft, left handed guy. Baxter could also do it


John Wheatcroft was your teacher? I'm sure he is from Merseyside somewhere, small world!
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 21 2009, 02:44 PM) *
Sometimes I come across some stuff that much less experienced people can play with no problem and I find my self just like a beginner when I try smile.gif


Very true, we easily get used to some things we play most of the time,
it's time for breaking old habits. smile.gif


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