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post May 22 2009, 03:39 PM
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David, just jump straight in! It depends what kind of programming you're wanting to do. If it's web, then start with HTML. That website you found is plenty good enough to get you started and at least being able to make something in a web browser. You can just use notepad to do it all. However, if it is windows applications you want to do then you'll need a compiler (i use Microsoft Visual Studio). I'd also recommend starting on something like Visual Basic .NET because its generally not too difficult to begin with. As already said in this thread once you grasp the idea of programming structures and things like variables, functions, arrays, loops etc then it doesn't really get too difficult when you start learning other languages. The only things that really change are the programming language syntax.

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post May 22 2009, 03:53 PM
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You do not need to refer to memory by address but you need to understand that, for example, a reference is not a clone, or a string is not a simple characters chain, or what is binary comparison and to know that, you will need to understand what's a pointer, what's the stack, etc... the basics. smile.gif

But there is surely not only one way to learn programming. smile.gif

Anyways, we scared David off... He is running back to his guitar right now. tongue.gif


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post May 22 2009, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (Keilnoth @ May 22 2009, 09:53 AM) *
Anyways, we scared David off... He is running back to his guitar right now. tongue.gif


I was hoping to avoid that sad.gif

Anyway, you still don't want those extra complications when someone hasn't completed their first program of "Hello World!" just as you don't want to talk about vibrato or track-doubling when you first teach someone their first E and A major triad chords.

Perhaps it's just best that we've identified ourselves to David so that he knows we can help support his learning once he's chosen a starting point? smile.gif


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post May 22 2009, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE (jafomatic @ May 22 2009, 04:01 PM) *
I was hoping to avoid that sad.gif

Anyway, you still don't want those extra complications when someone hasn't completed their first program of "Hello World!" just as you don't want to talk about vibrato or track-doubling when you first teach someone their first E and A major triad chords.

Perhaps it's just best that we've identified ourselves to David so that he knows we can help support his learning once he's chosen a starting point? smile.gif


I agree, learning how to print text to the screen is like the first stages really. Nevermind all this array stuff you go into later that like more involved stuff. As you say, just like when you learned your first chords i think you should start at the beginning. David, as there seems to be a fair few developers on this site i don't think it'd be unwise to start a thread with any help you need if you are serious about this

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post May 22 2009, 04:24 PM
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Yeah1
That all sounds good.
I'll just jump into it and go from there...
I'll most likely ask for help soon or later! :-)


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post May 22 2009, 04:25 PM
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Are you advertising for lessons on Craigslist?

Maybe your ad could use some tweeking to bring in more students.

I know I've surfed the Atlanta site and some of the ads are horrible.

/I'm trying hard to keep David from getting into programming.


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post May 22 2009, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (purple hayes @ May 22 2009, 11:25 AM) *
Are you advertising for lessons on Craigslist?

Maybe your ad could use some tweeking to bring in more students.

I know I've surfed the Atlanta site and some of the ads are horrible.

/I'm trying hard to keep David from getting into programming.


Haha!
Thanks man!
Yeah, I did the Craigslist thing.
I'm just getting burned out a little. Not really from GMC, but from real life students not showing up...
That really hurts the in come a lot. :-)



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post May 22 2009, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ May 22 2009, 05:35 PM) *
Haha!
Thanks man!
Yeah, I did the Craigslist thing.
I'm just getting burned out a little. Not really from GMC, but from real life students not showing up...
That really hurts the in come a lot. :-)


thats so wierd, i pay a ton to my RL instructor and not to offend him or anything but i would dump him in a sec if i could learn with you. i mean not that hes not good be he isnt metal or shredding, he more pop rock and he is self taught so his theory is lacking but its good that someone i checking up on your progress each week and teaching you to change strings and chords and making sure your holding everything the right way.


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post May 22 2009, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (vampire18 @ May 22 2009, 11:48 AM) *
thats so wierd, i pay a ton to my RL instructor and not to offend him or anything but i would dump him in a sec if i could learn with you.


I'm only ~2 hrs. away from David. I'm tempted to ask for a one-time lesson next time I pass through his town.


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post May 22 2009, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (purple hayes @ May 22 2009, 01:24 PM) *
I hear Fortran is hot right now.


I had to learn and use Fortran (along with Pascal and Machinecode) when I did my first degree (Chemistry) years ago. I still have nightmares about whether the variables are real or imaginary and how I should then code them. I'm amazed anyone even remembers it laugh.gif .

Spent a day this week having to compile on a linux Debian distro - that brought back memories as well. First computer I ever came across ran unix.


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post May 22 2009, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (purple hayes @ May 22 2009, 11:51 AM) *
I'm only ~2 hrs. away from David. I'm tempted to ask for a one-time lesson next time I pass through his town.


Hehe!
Yeah. I'd be glad to!
But do it quick, because I'm moving in August!


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post May 22 2009, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ May 22 2009, 07:32 AM) *
I've always been interested in programing stuff but don't know much about it.
Anyone making a living from that?
If so, what do you think I should start learning?
It seams that there are a lot of different languages out there.
I'm just thinking about a possible career move. Maybe going back to school...
Any thoughts? :-)


I majored in Economics in college (also got an MBA). Worked in a Bank for 11 years. Went back and got a computer science degree, and have made good money after doing so, much more than I made at the bank.

Basically I am trying to say, go back to school. You can probably get grant money, and a loan for sure. If you want to play with a language, do this.

Go to Adobe's site and download Flex

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/?promoid=BPDEQ

You can get a 60 day trial (and if you enroll in school, I believe they give it free to students). Get the version that is a plug in into Eclipse. You can start off with that. Get a book that teaches you Flex, and gets you started using Eclipse. Or just look at some internet tutorials, there is a lot of that out there. That is a good way to get started, regardless of where you end up.
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post May 22 2009, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ May 22 2009, 04:28 PM) *
.. (also got an MBA). ....


That's something else I have in common with you then - along with us having cats cool.gif .

(Sorry David - OT I know.)


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post May 22 2009, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ May 22 2009, 12:14 PM) *
Hehe!
Yeah. I'd be glad to!
But do it quick, because I'm moving in August!



Closer to Atlanta or further away?


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post May 22 2009, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ May 22 2009, 11:32 AM) *
That's something else I have in common with you then - along with us having cats cool.gif .

(Sorry David - OT I know.)


If you look on the history of cat lovers and cat haters, one is in much better company with the cat lovers.

One more thing David. One can enroll more quickly in a Junior College at this point (late May) than a state University. If you want to get started quickly taking some courses. Also it is cheaper. Ask a lot of advice early on from people at the school, on the best area to go into, for the future.
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post May 22 2009, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (purple hayes @ May 22 2009, 12:34 PM) *
Closer to Atlanta or further away?


Much further... sad.gif
I'm moving to Colorado...


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QUOTE (fkalich @ May 22 2009, 04:49 PM) *
If you look on the history of cat lovers and cat haters, one is in much better company with the cat lovers.

...


Very, very true.

Back on topic.

The people I know who are in the computer industry in some way or other tend to see it as a saturated market employment wise. If they are right, and I have no evidence one way or other apart from their opinion, then a University qualification will help immensely as fkalich says. Sadly without a lot of experience being an autodidact won't cut it.

If you can do a post-grad more the better. I don't know about the US but the UK has had a stated aim of more than 50% of all school leavers to receive some form of University education. If you take that to equate to most receiving an u/grad qualification then a Bachelor level qualification no longer differentiates from the norm but pretty becomes it. (Yes I know this is a bit of a sweeping assumption but...) As such most of us in Uni level education see a post-grad as the minimum for differentiation. Sad but true - we live in a world of qualification inflation.

Anyway, in the UK most grad schools will accept mature students who may not have had standard qualifications. Could be worth looking in to...


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post May 22 2009, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ May 22 2009, 12:58 PM) *
Much further... sad.gif
I'm moving to Colorado...


Your loss. I was going to be an awesome student. ph34r.gif


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post May 22 2009, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ May 22 2009, 11:58 AM) *
Much further... sad.gif
I'm moving to Colorado...


Meaning you have to deal with the fact that nearly all State Universities will charge a lot more for out of state tuition (and you have to establish residency maybe a year to get in state tuition fees). I am not sure about Junior colleges, I suspect they may have similar or identical fees for in state and out of state. What Tony said about saturated, sure, but other than say medicine, what is not saturated? But that is why I say ask advice, there are some more advanced technologies that might interest you that are up and coming, But looking at you here, your modes and stuff, you clearly feel at home with complexity, I expect you would do well (although I would not necessarily think you might not also stay in music). But whatever. My brother flunked out of college, as s Sophomore, then got married, had a kid, worked for awhile. Then went back to school and got straight A's to get his bachelors. Then got admitted to Harvard and got a Law degree there. You can do whatever you want to (God willing...never know what can happen, one can get hit by a truck or something, but with luck, you can do whatever). I would think that considering how well you play guitar, and all you know, that you would succeed in anything you applied yourself towards.
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post May 22 2009, 06:43 PM
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Oh thanks man!
That is very nice of you! :-)


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