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ZakkWylde
post May 24 2009, 12:46 PM
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Hey guys!

I was searching through the German Ebay, looking for some guitars when I stumbled across this one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/E-Gitarre-Gibson_W0QQit...93%3A3|294%3A50

The article says that she inherited this guitar and does not know anything about it besides it being a Gibson. I thought I might get a steal on a over 3k Gibson Zakk Wylde sig and asked the seller for more pictures (for me to make sure it's the real deal) because she said that it didn't come with a case which made me suspicious...

The pictures arrived and I took a closer look:

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The headstock seems legit but I noticed the truss rod cover saying *Zakk Wylde Les Paul Custom* while the original ones just say *Les Paul Custom*. Mmh...

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The pickups are wrong (EMG HZ while the original has active EMG) and looking at the neck I noticed that the fretboard is Rosewood but the Original has Ebony!

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The back looks alright

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The back of the headstock is where it gets ugly: First of all those are no name tuners while the original has Grover tuners. There is the Gibson logo, a *made in the USA* stamp, a serial number, the Zakk silouette logo and even an autograph by zakkk himself so it seems...
BUT comparing it to a real one (took some pictures of a real one at my local store) I see that logo and silhouette are at the wrong places and that Zakk models have a special 3-digit serial number while this one has a regular serial.

What really pisses me of is that they even faked Zakks autograph on the back -.-

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post May 24 2009, 01:01 PM
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That´s sick. ohmy.gif Why do people such horrible things with guitars? Is there any possibility to report it at eBay?

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post May 24 2009, 01:10 PM
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post May 24 2009, 01:26 PM
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post May 24 2009, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE (Tolek @ May 24 2009, 02:01 PM) *
That´s sick. ohmy.gif Why do people such horrible things with guitars? Is there any possibility to report it at eBay?


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post May 24 2009, 04:46 PM
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Really nasty! Good think you know how a real one should look like.

Just a suggestion , that you inform the seller it's fake. See what happens...


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post May 24 2009, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ May 24 2009, 05:46 PM) *
Really nasty! Good think you know how a real one should look like.

Just a suggestion , that you inform the seller it's fake. See what happens...


I mailed her that this one is a fake as far as I can tell but she did not reply to me until now...


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post May 24 2009, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ May 24 2009, 09:28 PM) *
I mailed her that this one is a fake as far as I can tell but she did not reply to me until now...

If "she who knows nothing of guitars" is descent she'd remove it I think, scared of scamming someone. But I guess the seller knows, making up a story about inheriting it and she'll just keep the ad on ebay.


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post May 24 2009, 09:58 PM
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At least they made some obvious mistakes, had they used the same materials and not misplaced the sig they could easily fool someone, at least until the buyer got the thing in his hands...

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post May 25 2009, 04:05 AM
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Trussrod cover totally gives it away, a very clumpsy and fat cover I must say smile.gif


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post May 25 2009, 04:37 AM
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I really hate stuff like that, especially because I DON'T know any better. Hrmph! Nice spot!


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post May 25 2009, 06:26 PM
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I saw once a seller that was selling an Ibanez Jem, don't remember exactly the model. It wasn't the cheapest price, but it was reasonable less from the original price. A friend of mine went to see it, and the seller himself told him that it was a chinese Ibanez Gio, that a Luthier worked on it a made it a replic!!. Nice cheat, isn't it?. Jajaja. I just can't believe how stupid people can be


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post May 25 2009, 06:34 PM
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Probably you can ask for Gibson support if the registration number is real for this model.

(That what I did at -PaulReedSmith customer support- , when i bought my PRS on Ebay.)

If it is fake ask the seller to drop it from ebay if not you can report fake at the ebay organisation.

If it fake but she doesn't draw back this buy we all can email her tongue.gif


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post May 25 2009, 07:08 PM
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This obviously seems to be a fake guitar, but reading the short description on ebay gives the impression that the seller has no clue about guitars.

"... on the guitar is written Gibson. A friend told her it's a known brand ... the guitar is black and white" ..

I don't think the seller has bad intentions with this offer, otherwise she would not easily say to send more pictures by request. She just don't know the details. Too bad that guitars like this exist in the first place ..











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post May 25 2009, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ May 25 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Probably you can ask for Gibson support if the registration number is real for this model.

(That what I did at -PaulReedSmith customer support- , when i bought my PRS on Ebay.)

If it is fake ask the seller to drop it from ebay if not you can report fake at the ebay organisation.

If it fake but she doesn't draw back this buy we all can email her tongue.gif


There is no need to check the registration number as it is a 8 digit number like on standard Gibson models while the original Zakk Wylde Custom shop models have a three digit number and the letters ZW on the back


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post May 25 2009, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (wrk @ May 25 2009, 08:08 PM) *
This obviously seems to be a fake guitar, but reading the short description on ebay gives the impression that the seller has no clue about guitars.

"... on the guitar is written Gibson. A friend told her it's a known brand ... the guitar is black and white" ..

I don't think the seller has bad intentions with this offer, otherwise she would not easily say to send more pictures by request. She just don't know the details. Too bad that guitars like this exist in the first place ..

I think the "I know nothing about guitars" is just a front to afterwards be able to point at his/her own ignorance saying "hey, not my fault, I had no idea since I don't know anything about guitars". Escape own responsibility for the fraud.


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post May 26 2009, 06:13 AM
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mad.gif I hate cheats! At least report it to the seller and ebay, then if there is legal action later...


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post May 26 2009, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ May 25 2009, 11:05 PM) *
I think the "I know nothing about guitars" is just a front to afterwards be able to point at his/her own ignorance saying "hey, not my fault, I had no idea since I don't know anything about guitars". Escape own responsibility for the fraud.

Sure, you never know what is in peoples mind. I just don't have the impression on this specific auction. The way it is written and the seller does not say it's a Zakk Wylde signature Gibson.

laugh.gif ... true is, i tend to be too positive and naive sometimes and don't see fraud in everything which seems to be not completely correct.



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post May 26 2009, 09:04 AM
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The nut looks like a cheap plastic Epiphone one to me, and the gold hardware also looks cheap. It´s probably an Epi with a bad makeover.

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