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Favorite guitarist
Favorite guitarist? (best one basicaly)
Jimmi Hendrix [ 8 ] ** [18.18%]
Eric clapton [ 2 ] ** [4.55%]
Jimmy Page [ 2 ] ** [4.55%]
Slash [ 6 ] ** [13.64%]
Steve Vai [ 7 ] ** [15.91%]
Marty Friedman [ 1 ] ** [2.27%]
Stevie Ray Vaughn [ 3 ] ** [6.82%]
BB King [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Buckethead [ 2 ] ** [4.55%]
Other=____________ [ 13 ] ** [29.55%]
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Zee Deveel
post Feb 13 2007, 03:58 PM
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Of the ones listed Hendrix by a longshot.


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post Feb 13 2007, 10:33 PM
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I knew That I would have to say this soon..................

But Hendrix is
the Single most over rated musician in the history of the world


That dosent mean hes not great, i love hes Guitar work.

But hes just plain over rated, to many reasons to list.

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post Feb 14 2007, 03:04 AM
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I voted eric clapton. I really like jimi hendrix, SRV and johnny winter too though.


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post Feb 14 2007, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 13 2007, 11:33 AM) *
I knew That I would have to say this soon..................

But Hendrix is
the Single most over rated musician in the history of the world


That dosent mean hes not great, i love hes Guitar work.

But hes just plain over rated, to many reasons to list.


It's true. But he did do a lot for the electric guitar. He inspired a lot of great players. But in terms of technique and just guitar playing in general he is pretty overrated.
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post Feb 14 2007, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 13 2007, 04:33 PM) *
I knew That I would have to say this soon..................

But Hendrix is
the Single most over rated musician in the history of the world


That dosent mean hes not great, i love hes Guitar work.

But hes just plain over rated, to many reasons to list.


The term "over rated" always puzzles me. It makes no logical sense. Is it a term that people apply to someone they just don't like or something? Jimi is obviously one of the most influencial guitarists of a generation, thus being "rated" as anything other than what he was makes no sense.

The world has a million talented guitarists, but far fewer musicians that play guitar.
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post Feb 14 2007, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (brainlesswonder @ Feb 14 2007, 07:41 AM) *
The term "over rated" always puzzles me. It makes no logical sense. Is it a term that people apply to someone they just don't like or something? Jimi is obviously one of the most influencial guitarists of a generation, thus being "rated" as anything other than what he was makes no sense.

The world has a million talented guitarists, but far fewer musicians that play guitar.


I think Hendrix really deserves the credit he gets. In his time, well there was nobody who played like Hendrix. I still put Jimmy Page above him though. Here is a clip you may not have seen, of Jimmy Page when he was 14. Maybe "Skiffle" will come back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXeC40P80o

I realize that Vai and others have a much more advanced style, music has evolved technically. I am factoring the skill grading for these guitarists in context of the time when they produced their music. By the mid 70's Zeppelin was as dead as Hendrix in my view. I am judging Page's skill level based on what he was then, compared to what else was out there. By that criteria, he was at the top of the class, as Vai is today, in skill.

But in terms of song writing ability, who contributed more than Zeppelin? Keep in mind that Zeppelin was as much a guitar band as a vocal band, song writing manifested itself in the way Page played, which was very often quite innovative. The influence is very embedded in modern guitar music.

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post Feb 14 2007, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Feb 14 2007, 07:28 AM) *
I think Hendrix really deserves the credit he gets. In his time, well there was nobody who played like Hendrix. I still put Jimmy Page above him though. Here is a clip you may not have seen, of Jimmy Page when he was 14. Maybe "Skiffle" will come back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epXeC40P80o

I realize that Vai and others have a much more advanced style, music has evolved technically. I am factoring the skill grading for these guitarists in context of the time when they produced their music. By the mid 70's Zeppelin was as dead as Hendrix in my view. I am judging Page's skill level based on what he was then, compared to what else was out there. By that criteria, he was at the top of the class, as Vai is today, in skill.

But in terms of song writing ability, who contributed more than Zeppelin? Keep in mind that Zeppelin was as much a guitar band as a vocal band, song writing manifested itself in the way Page played, which was very often quite innovative. The influence is very embedded in modern guitar music.


Wow

The nail has been firmly hit on the head! I agree completely. But Lets not call Zeppelin a guitar band, because if anything the main member was Bonham(RIP) His Druming was the foundation of the band! So if anything i would call them a drum band. wink.gif

As for Hendrix, Overated means when someone is said to be better than they really are, as in they are rated by fellow musicians without proper justification. Hendrix did do a a lot for electrick guitar but no where as much as people think, he was a blues guitarist with distortion (NOT invented by him! But by clapton a couple of years before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!in the "beano" album)

Hendrix was not rock, nor did he invent rock guitar (that was Mr. Jimmy Page and clapton to some extent)
And he was a rhythm guitarist.........so Hendrix=Overrated
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post Feb 14 2007, 07:56 PM
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no one put up Angus Young from AcDc u guys should be a shamed of ur self Angous is awesome lead guitarist who has a sound like no other not ratting anyone else out though. My favorite is probably Slash but I like almost all of them. But Slash and Angus stand out the most for me. Herman Li and Sam Tomtan......... don't get me started laugh.gif lol (dragonforce everyone's favorite band here at GMC laugh.gif )
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post Feb 14 2007, 08:39 PM
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Amen to that! how could i Have Forgot Angus? He Rocks tongue.gif
I was just watchin the Live at donnigton DVD and he really is stoned so badly i dont even think
he knows were he is lmao laugh.gif
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post Feb 14 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 14 2007, 02:55 PM) *
distortion (NOT invented by him! But by clapton a couple of years before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!in the "beano" album)

It can't have been Clapton, he started off in the mid 60's, Link Wray was playing with a distorted sound already in -58 and _probably_ was the first. (I say probably since I don't want to state incorrect facts with a couple dozen exclamation marks incase someone know for a fact of someone who was earlier than -58)

QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 14 2007, 02:55 PM) *
And he was a rhythm guitarist.........so Hendrix=Overrated

Hendrix came with a new amp/guitar-sound and developed a genre, influences a lot of people, is still selling records soon 40 years after his death.
You'd probably say all of that is proof of being ovverrated but it could aswell be because you don't understand his greatness. Right? So it's rather a matter of opinion.
And as for being a rhythm guitarist and automatically be "overrated" is just silly. Can't you appreciate a good rhythm guitarist? Ever listened to Malcolm Young and being impressed over how super great he plays, so damn tight. Would that make him a better guitarist than Angus? Maybe. I'd say so at least. Does that make Angus, who's name is mentioned a lot more since he play lead, overrated?

QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 14 2007, 02:55 PM) *
As for Hendrix, Overated means when someone is said to be better than they really are

Better at what, shredding, tapping? He was an inventor of sound and style which many many guitarists have picked up on. Many a lot more technical at playing than Hendrix was. But inventing something completely new and different, how can that make him worse than he really is???????



I've heard it before, ppl who say Hendrix is overrated. Sometimes I belive it's just a way to show off some special "knowledge" and an "opinion" that to some uninitiated ears will sound professional. I must confess I don't listen to Hendrix and I don't play his songs or riffs, it's not my bag, never the less I recognise BS when I see it.

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post Feb 14 2007, 10:34 PM
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Hooah.

MickeM strikes with a vengeance.

I personally dislike Hendrix music and I find it boring a lot of the time. As far as music skills go I reckon he was amongst the first and was pretty good at it.



The argument about him being a rythm guitarist is just plain stupid, I'm sorry but it is. Riffs created by talented Rythm guitarists tend to stick better than a good soloist. Example, who doesn't recognize the Iron Man riff? Even people who never heard the song goes "where do I know that from.." but you rarely hear anyone hymm the Sweet child of mine solo (which is, btw, one of my favs).

You can be talented at different stuff. Personally I find rythm to so many times be more interesting than the lead guitar.
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post Feb 14 2007, 11:29 PM
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Usually when people say that Hendrix is overrated they aren't actually listening to his music. The man was a creative genius and to say anything less would be pure ignorance. There's a lot more to being a guitar player than being able to play scales extremely fast up and down the fretboard. Phrasing is probably the most important thing for a guitarist to develop and Hendrix put so much feeling into his playing that he could say a lot more with just one note than most modern guitarists (Yngwie, Vai, etc.) can say with 1000. I never really could understand why people think shred is entertaining. Go listen to Bold As Love for a real song.

Also, your point that he was a rhythm guitarist is void because he mixed his rhythm playing with lead and the result was something that's more interesting than almost anyone else could ever come up with. Frankly, I think people who call Hendrix overrated are just trying to be "nonconformist" and "cool."

I voted for Hendrix in the poll, but I have two favorites: Hendrix and John Frusciante.
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post Feb 15 2007, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 14 2007, 02:39 PM) *
Amen to that! how could i Have Forgot Angus? He Rocks tongue.gif
I was just watchin the Live at donnigton DVD and he really is stoned so badly i dont even think
he knows were he is lmao laugh.gif


Wait, since Malcom wrote almost all of the memorable riffs for AC/DC that must mean that Angus is overrated.
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post Feb 15 2007, 12:50 AM
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Im suprised So many people disagree that Hendrix Is overrated.
I thought it was common knowledge.
I cant persuade you, im just stating the facts.

I listen to Hendrix a lot actually and i really like he's studio work.
But I think saying that he "invented a sound" is absoulte crap.
He got chords and blues and a strat. And mixed them up....
NO way did he Invent anything new that BB king or other great blues hadnt already done!

Mainstream people usualy have heard of Hendrix because he is always being dubbed the
'greatest' guitarist ever. That is really annoying, he was an innovater, a copier and evolver but not an innovater. and theres nothing great about that now is there?

(and Clapton DID invent proper distortion. Link Wray had simple fuzz from unwoven cabels but not an overdriven amp! get your facts straight MickeM)

o and rhythym guitar is just as good as lead, i didnt mean it like that wink.gif
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post Feb 15 2007, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE (TheNung89 @ Feb 14 2007, 12:29 PM) *
Usually when people say that Hendrix is overrated they aren't actually listening to his music. The man was a creative genius and to say anything less would be pure ignorance. There's a lot more to being a guitar player than being able to play scales extremely fast up and down the fretboard. Phrasing is probably the most important thing for a guitarist to develop and Hendrix put so much feeling into his playing that he could say a lot more with just one note than most modern guitarists (Yngwie, Vai, etc.) can say with 1000. I never really could understand why people think shred is entertaining. Go listen to Bold As Love for a real song.

Also, your point that he was a rhythm guitarist is void because he mixed his rhythm playing with lead and the result was something that's more interesting than almost anyone else could ever come up with. Frankly, I think people who call Hendrix overrated are just trying to be "nonconformist" and "cool."

I voted for Hendrix in the poll, but I have two favorites: Hendrix and John Frusciante.


It's not ignorance man. It's called an opinion. I've heard his music and listen to it a lot . He has a lot of good stuff. But I agree that he is overrated simply because he is labeled as "The Best". And quite honestly there wasn't much that was special about his phrasing. The main reason he is considered so great is because he influenced so many other great people.

Just my two cents though so you can disagree all you want. smile.gif
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post Feb 15 2007, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Ibanez_player @ Feb 14 2007, 06:58 PM) *
The main reason he is considered so great is because he influenced so many other great people.


Does that make all those other great people overrated too?
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post Feb 15 2007, 01:45 AM
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Depends who you are talking about. But again it's mainly because the general public considers Hendrix to be "The Best" guitarist ever. If you look at his playing in terms of technique or theory, it wasn't the best. That's all I'm saying. Whether you like his music or not is a totally different argument.
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QUOTE (Aryo @ Feb 14 2007, 06:50 PM) *
Im suprised So many people disagree that Hendrix Is overrated.
I thought it was common knowledge.


Ok, maybe it's because English is my second language but what you say makes absolutely zero sense to me. Being overrated seems to mean that everyone holds some person in some regard that they are not worthy of. Yet, you state that's common knowledge that he is overrated. They completely contradict each other. If everyone thought he was overrated then he wouldn't be.

Now, personally I haven't found a BB King record that sounds anything like a Hendrix record - or any of the artists that you named. If I add to that the huge number of great guitarists that list Hendrix as an influence, and If I add to that the simple fact that you know immediately when hendrix is playing, then I can't imagine he is not an innovator.
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post Feb 15 2007, 02:08 AM
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QUOTE (Ibanez_player @ Feb 14 2007, 07:45 PM) *
Depends who you are talking about. But again it's mainly because the general public considers Hendrix to be "The Best" guitarist ever. If you look at his playing in terms of technique or theory, it wasn't the best. That's all I'm saying. Whether you like his music or not is a totally different argument.


Actually, many polls often suggest that the general public considers Clapton to be "the best". Does that make him overrated?

Like I said, there are a 100,000 guitarists with perfect technique and "theory". None of them will ever come close to releasing are you expereienced?. If the impact that one has on a particular thing causes them to transcend to the point that someone like Jimi has, it's almost goofy to call him overrated.

I guess, if one wanted to judge him completely removed from the context of his time, they could sit down and go "well I play better than that, so he must be overrated", but the simple fact that they'd be saying that from their couch in their living room says otherwise.

Besides, if Lemmy is God and Lemmy was a Roadie for Hendrix then Hendrix must be an uber-god.

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post Feb 15 2007, 02:20 AM
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Hmm most polls that I've seen say Hendrix is the best. As far as guitarists from that time period, I'd take Jeff Beck over Hendrix anyday. But hey everyone has different opinions as to who is their favorite guitarist. So I'll just leave it at that.
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