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Ivan Milenkovic
post Jun 7 2009, 06:36 PM
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Hey guys, with a small delay I started to produce video comments. Today I did two, for Marek and sted, and for sted it is currently uploading. I will post it soon. Feel free to listen the takes and comment them yourself.
If you need me to give more comments on your playing ask and we wil discuss it in this thread

(FINAL MIX is at the end of this post)

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Marek Rojewski

Marek's collab take



sted

sted's take



Jakub Luptovec

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kjutte

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eat-sleep-andJam
eat-sleep-andJam's take



matt23
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VictorUK

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Deadevil

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arctic1234

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Paiva

Paiva's take



kaznie_NL

Kaz's take



gibsonmatte

gibsonmatte's take



Outlaw2112

Outlaw2112's take



Sollesnes
Sollesnes's take



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post Jun 7 2009, 06:55 PM
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Already told it on the chat, but once again, HUGE thanks, really helpful comment Ivan:)


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post Jun 7 2009, 07:22 PM
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Anytime man, it was my pleasure smile.gif


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post Jun 7 2009, 09:12 PM
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post Jun 8 2009, 07:20 PM
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Hey Ivan!

Thanks for the comment mate, I guess I did try and cram too many notes in but I really didnt know where to start with a metal solo so I just went for it! Arpeggios are still a bit of a mystery to me and how they fit into my playing but I am constatntly trying to get them in somewhere.
My one question is about the sound, you have made a few comments to me on collabs and in the REC about improving my "sound" but have not elaborated! In particular the Gary Moore sound I used in the blues collab you said that I didnt need that much gain and should back it off and use other methods but I'm not sure what, do you have any general tips/rules on starting to create a good tone for blues, rock, clean sounds etc? I know we discuss different software and amps and stuff on the chat but it really annoys me that I might not be getting the best out of my gear, I admit when people talk about "Headroom" and such I just nod and smile and think "What?" anyway, any tips would be of great use to me (Or maybe a lesson series!! wink.gif ).

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post Jun 8 2009, 08:28 PM
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I will be glad to help you of course! I'm no expert so I'll try to explain the best way I can:

As I said your sound is good, but you just need to watch out for the levels. When talking about levels I mean "volume levels" and this is where headroom comes into play. Headroom is nothing complicated really, it's just the amount of "space" that signal can go in terms of volume level until it reaches the clipping point. Check out the next picture:

In this picture you can see several headrooms for different appliances. When the sound reaches the red point, it starts to "clip". Clipping means that signal cannot go any further so the information is lost. You can observe the clipping phenomenon on this example:

As you can see on the picture - if we increase the overall volume of the signal the audio signal amplitude is not curved. When it reaches it's limit it is clipped and basically lost. You cannot hear that curved tip anymore. So if we say for example that some amp has "big headroom" it means that it can be amplified a lot without clipping, thus staying clean. When the amp is distorting on lower volumes (for example average Marshall clean channel usually goes into crunch after 7-8), we say that it doesn't have a big headroom on big volumes. If you take two Marshall amps, one 50W and other one 200W and crank both of them to 6 on clean channel, the 200W will be louder, so it has bigger headroom, which simply means more loudness without clipping. This is basically the story about headroom a bit simplified.

Now, lets get back to clipping part a bit. I said that information is lost when you push the volume up, so the signal is not curved anymore, but it has those straight lines like on picture 2. There are 2 kinds of clipping, one is desireable and the other one isn't:

1. tube clipping (tube overdrive): this kind of clipping is good, and you can hear it when you crank the tube amp, or switch to OD channel on tube amps. The harmonics that tubes produce are even, and goes along nicely with the original signal, so they have that "natural" or "musical" sound as many people describe it.
2. solid state clipping (hard clippin): this kind of clipping is not good, cause it sounds harsh and unnatural. Pretty much every electronic device including solid state amps, digital audio interfaces, and all kind of solid state gear hard clip the signal and above that point work is useless.

Hard clipping is not good cause when the clipping occurs it produces odd harmonics. Although some part of the signal is lost, the transients appear (depending what electronic components are used these transients can vary and they are calculated using some math methods) in the upper sound spectrum that "enrich" the sound. These sound waves are functioning to "color" the main signal. Solid state components create odd or uneven harmonics and this is why this sounds bad. If the signal is too high (as you made in your take when rendering) then this will be heard as lots of cracks and pops, and noise. In order to prevent that, you should monitor the faders in your DAW software and watch out so it doesn't go above the 0dB limit. Back in the good old days of analog gear, some degree of clipping would be allowed, cause back than studios used analog mixers, tape recorders etc. These components could be pushed a bit into overdrive (they had bigger headroom), without loosing the information. These days when most of the stuff we use is purely digital, there is a limit above which everything sounds terrible basically, so we try to prevent the signal going above that limit. This is done by constantly monitoring input meters of our sound cards, input meters in our DAW software, and input meters on our master channel. If the sound is bellow 0dB during the whole recording - you can rest assure that you signal will be nice and healthy.

If you want to discuss further on this topic, for example want from me to give you some specific tips & tricks on how to achieve that, post all the gear&software that you use for recording and I'll try to help.

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post Jun 9 2009, 09:10 AM
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Blimey! Thanks Ivan!

That was a bit of a lesson in itself but i understand those principles now. My gear is as follows : Fostex PM0.4 monitors, Line 6 UX2 (New version) which has some nice meters on it etc, my "go to" software is pod farm/gearbox as it seems to work best with my other gear although I may have a look at GR3 as well. The pc has an AMD 3600+ and 2gb corsair RAM with onboard sound card (Hence the UX2) and obviously there my list of guitars shown below on my sig.

Any tips on how to get the best out of this stuff would be great, once again mate thanks for all your help! smile.gif

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post Jun 9 2009, 10:01 AM
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Anytime Lee bro smile.gif

One more thing that I need to know is what DAW software do you use for recording? Reaper, Cubase, something else?


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post Jun 9 2009, 12:16 PM
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Anytime Lee bro smile.gif

One more thing that I need to know is what DAW software do you use for recording? Reaper, Cubase, something else?


Reaper mate, all the way!! smile.gif
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post Jun 9 2009, 03:13 PM
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OK! smile.gif

- Make sure you monitor your signal in several mixers, first in POD Farm (picture 1)

- Then make sure you keep the signal bellow the 0dB in reaper (picture 2) when recording on the audio track, and also keep the overal signal loudness lower than 0dB on the Master Channel (first channel to the left)


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Cool stuff Ivan, I feel like recording a take, just to get a comment wink.gif You've also improved your background laugh.gif


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post Jun 9 2009, 04:32 PM
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Feel free to do so, I can extend the limit for you Kaz, you are my "regular customer". biggrin.gif


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post Jun 11 2009, 12:05 AM
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Thanks so much man for the comment, I knew the legato lick was sloppy but I just went with it for the most part. I will work on my vibrato more and I will see you in the next one wink.gif


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I'm glad to help in any way, and it was cool to listen to your take man! Cheers smile.gif


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post Jun 16 2009, 11:32 AM
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Anytime man! smile.gif


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post Jun 16 2009, 11:56 AM
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Sorry for commenting that late but I was out of time:)

Thank you very much for your comment, I noted it and will try to implement that.

Oh and regarding that second part and the use of A harmonic minor... I didnt really use a scale on the second part.. I just used my ear and heart to guide me, because I wanted that part to be kind of fluid and sleek, sort of out of box, built on some exotic melody:)


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