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post Feb 13 2007, 03:23 AM
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Hi Kris: (or anyone else who wants to chime in) This is my question. I think I know the answer. Hold the pick with two fingers, right? I saw that you do that, and Eric Johnson does that. Any tips on keeping a good grip on that? I have been using a 1.14 mm dunlop, standard shape. What do you recommend? I put a tab of thin adhesive backed sandpaper on one side, maybe I like that, not sure. I think maybe you grip it pretty low. You often say "do this now, bad habits are hard to break". I figure holding the pick with 3 fingers is one of them, so I should probably lose that habit immediately. Maybe it is just something I need to get used to. Correct?

oh, question #2, I see Kris generally keeps his three free fingers extended as he plays. I have the habit of curling them up in my palm. Another habit to break right away?

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post Feb 13 2007, 04:54 AM
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what's goin on fkalich? i played holding the pick the complete wrong way for years until 2 years ago a friend from work showed me an awesome way to hold it and thats by keeping your thumb parallel to the strings with your pointer finger bent holding it underneath. as i'm sure you've figured out it takes a lot to get used to it and keeping a grip can be the most difficult thing about it. hope i explained it good enough.

keeping your fingers like kris does away from the palm and on the lower body of the guitar gives you much more control over what string you are playing. that way as you pick you can easily find the next string you want to go too.

at the same time make sure you are comfortable with this because everybody does things differently and practice it so you don't need sandpaper!!! tongue.gif haha

btw - it's nice to see another forum newb on here!!!

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post Feb 13 2007, 06:01 AM
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Thanks Buck. That reinforces what as you said, just came naturally once I tried holding it with two fingers, and the fingers extended. I checked and I am keeping my thumb parallel like you said. I found that in just an hour I got pretty comfortable with it.

Very pleased with this site. This guy has a knack for teaching, fairly rare trait in my experience. Also clearly a good fisherman. The fish laugh at me. I see the bubbles, that comes from them laughing.
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post Feb 13 2007, 06:06 AM
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no prob... practice works man!!!

yeah this site really does help in so many ways...

be careful of those fish and their bubbles and what not you may never look away once you start staring


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post Feb 13 2007, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (buckjones @ Feb 13 2007, 04:54 AM) *
keeping your thumb parallel to the strings with your pointer finger bent holding it underneath.

That's how I hold it to now too biggrin.gif I get both the thumb and the upper joint of the finger parallell to the strings, after holding it incorrect for years and years. It was very difficult learning a new way but it worked out very well since I improved myself on everything, and a LOT.

I have to say how to hold the pick is the MOST important thing to do correct before one should expect to manage any of the exercices in a good way. If you're holding it wrong practice will just be a lot harder and the result just not as good as it could be.


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post Feb 13 2007, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Feb 13 2007, 08:26 AM) *
That's how I hold it to now too biggrin.gif I get both the thumb and the upper joint of the finger parallell to the strings, after holding it incorrect for years and years. It was very difficult learning a new way but it worked out very well since I improved myself on everything, and a LOT.

I have to say how to hold the pick is the MOST important thing to do correct before one should expect to manage any of the exercices in a good way. If you're holding it wrong practice will just be a lot harder and the result just not as good as it could be.


Is this what you mean (found this picture on internet)?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/loggyz/pick.jpg

Assuming that is the correct way, I had no idea you hold it against the side of the index, but I can see right away, trying tremolo picking, it works well. And it really seems to situate ones hand nicely for muting with the right palm, and using the free fingers for picking and harmonics. It seems to makes sense to me, but I am glad to be corrected if I am off base here.

more: I saw another thread on holding the pick, but that dealt with a different facet...the angle. Is holding it pointing downward the consensus on the optimal way to hold it (for what we are tying to do here)? Seems to me like that naturally is more effective, at least for tremolo picking.

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post Feb 13 2007, 01:43 PM
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I'd keep your fingers stretched out beeeecause:

You have the option of using your fingers to pluck in addition to using the pick.

You have the option of anchoring your pinky to give your more control.

Palm muting should be easier if your fingers aren't curled up underneath your thumb.


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post Feb 13 2007, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Feb 13 2007, 11:06 AM) *
Is this what you mean (found this picture on internet)?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/loggyz/pick.jpg

Almost, that picture shows a quite comfortable way to hold it. I would call it right.

First off, my old grip was like on the pic only I held the pick even more between the fingertips rather than with the side of my index finger. I had no control at all at that time.
So when I changed my grip a flattened out my hand a little bit further so I get real close to the strings giving me more control. AND, holding like in the picture at photobucket doesn't work 100% for me, I had to get the tip of my finger away... and I show less of the pick than that.
My thumb and finger are completely aligned and as you see I hold the pick a bit furthter in.
And, like Zee Deveel said, stretch your fingers if you like, try that too, it doesn't work for me then the photobucket pick is more suitable if you wanna do that.

Between the two ways I'm sure your picture is showing the more common way. If that's the correct way I adjusted a couple of things (bending the index finger a bit more and moving the pick a bit in) to suit me. I'm not sure everyone would be comfortable holding it like me though.

Just try both ways, they will feel aqward for a week if you're used to hold in any other way. But if you feel you HAVE TO change to improve just take the step man...

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post Feb 13 2007, 04:03 PM
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Damnation, I've been holding my pick wrong for 20 years unsure.gif

Well, I was starting to suspect that anyway and was trying different ways to help with my speedpicking ... sigh, another thing to go back to basics on ...


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post Feb 13 2007, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 13 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Damnation, I've been holding my pick wrong for 20 years unsure.gif

Join the club, I thought I held the record with my 15 years. Wether my way is right or wrong... all I can say is that after I changed my accuracy increased, I used to hit the wrong strings and played very sloppy and speed picking was out of the question, and I was able to apply wrist movement and really get up to speed. Now it's a matter of syncing the left and right hand and get the left one up to speed. My pick hand is not the problem any more. cool.gif


EDIT: Checking the Vintage Modern video (see post "Marshall JVM") at 9:14-16 is a clear picture of how that guy is holding his pick. Not saying you have to start holding it with the left hand... ;-)

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post Feb 13 2007, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Feb 13 2007, 10:13 AM) *
Join the club, I thought I held the record with my 15 years. Wether my way is right or wrong... all I can say is that after I changed my accuracy increased, I used to hit the wrong strings and played very sloppy and speed picking was out of the question, and I was able to apply wrist movement and really get up to speed. Now it's a matter of syncing the left and right hand and get the left one up to speed. My pick hand is not the problem any more. cool.gif
EDIT: Checking the Vintage Modern video (see post "Marshall JVM") at 9:14-16 is a clear picture of how that guy is holding his pick. Not saying you have to start holding it with the left hand... ;-)


Actually I was exaggerating - its closer to 17 years since I moved from classical guitar to electric. I didn't know anything about speed picking or shredding at the time, I play mostly legato, and its only now that I am trying to play faster that it has become an issue. Oh well, I'll have to sound like an 10 year old with his first guitar again until I get this new stuff down, I hope it will be worth it!


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post Feb 13 2007, 08:52 PM
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Great advice, thanks! I can see in the marshall video, the guy has the last digit of his index curled, and the less of the tip of the pick exposed.

I just worked through a lesson, and at the end found myself indeed naturally holding the pick as in the marshall amp video:

1) Thumb and index finger, other three fingers extended.
2) Using side of index finger, not the flat tip.
3) Index finger curled back at tip (rather than pointing down)
4) Less of tip of pick exposed (than I had been exposing).

I find that things work much better now, obviously. Again, thanks for all the help.

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post May 26 2007, 03:15 AM
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Finally, i changed my pick holding style biggrin.gif i just gained so much speed practicing scales instantly! WOOHOOO! THANKS GUYS! laugh.gif


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post May 26 2007, 05:18 AM
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Im still mildly confused haha.. im trying to hold it this way.. but it feels soo wierd.. can anyone post summore pictures so i can get an idea?


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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ May 25 2007, 11:18 PM) *
Im still mildly confused haha.. im trying to hold it this way.. but it feels soo wierd.. can anyone post summore pictures so i can get an idea?


I myself holding the pick both ways depending on what I am doing:

1) Last digit of index finger pointing down at 5 oclock, holding the pick sort of in between the side and the flat part of the index finger. I put a link to a picture, two posts above the great big photo of......

2) Last digit of index finger pointing back, holding the pick with the side of the index finger, with very little of the tip of the pick exposed (less than in #1). This is the picture in the great big photo above.

#2 really is well suited to fast speed picking to me, not much else. Not best suited for sweeps, harmonics, slow lyrical solo lines, chords. Really I think it is only suitable for speed picking. You can do pinch harmonics with some contortion. But the harmonics I primarily like, using my middle finger, well holding in as described in #1 above is suitable for that.

Feel free to disagree anyone, this is just based on my experience. Primarily I will hold it as described in #1, and shift to #2 temporarily when the need is there.

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Honestly guys, theres no wrong way to hold your pick (to a certain limit), but its w/e feels comfortable to you, i mean seriously..look at jimi hendrix he used his teeth, and his tongue (i think), so you cant tell me teres a wrong way to play it..and also that blind guy who plays with his teeth to...

so just hold the pick how it comes natural to you, adn what feels most comfortable to you.


and o yea..i hold the pick like that 2 guys, but i have my index finger curled around a lil bit more.a.nd angled down more, and i think my thumb sticks out a bit more 2..and
about that havign a closed fist, thats not wrong, you MIGHT lose some control but you SHOULD be able to pick faster, ITS ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE biggrin.gif


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post May 31 2007, 07:44 PM
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Is there a lesson that outlines and details the way to hold a pick, the angle it strikes strings, how far out tip sticks, pressure, type, alternate methogs, genre specific methods?

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 13 2007, 05:03 PM) *
Damnation, I've been holding my pick wrong for 20 years unsure.gif

Well, I was starting to suspect that anyway and was trying different ways to help with my speedpicking ... sigh, another thing to go back to basics on ...


smile.gif when I first joined this site, I was glad to find out that I had been holding the pick correctly from the very beginning. But then again, I found out that I had done just about everything else totally wrong:
* 100% downstrokes
* didn't use the pinky
* gripped the whole neck around with my hand
* etc...
* etc..
* etc.

heck, after finding these things out one by one, I felt lucky I didn't find out that I held the whole damn guitar up-side-down or something... XD

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QUOTE (michael schenker @ May 31 2007, 07:44 PM) *
Is there a lesson that outlines and details the way to hold a pick, the angle it strikes strings, how far out tip sticks, pressure, type, alternate methogs, genre specific methods?

ms

Hey I just joined up, and although I'm not new to playing guitar, I would also like to know if there is a video. Even if there isn't a set exact way to holding the pick and whatnot, I'd still like to see one of the many proper ways that people do it, preferably I'd like someone who speed picks or shreds to do the video, cause I'm kind of interested in that kind of fast picking.


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blink.gif :S ohmy.gif use the side of the index finger?
im useing the flat
is that a bad habit 2 ?
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