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post Jun 10 2009, 01:55 AM
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Hello GMC! haha, wow, another request for advice. I recently requested what kind of software should I have for a VDM. Anyway, i want to ask everyone who looks at this thread what specific software do i need for home recording? I want to start making my own music so i can develop. biggrin.gif

This is what I have so far:
Cubase Sx3
Guitar Pro 5.2
EZ Drummer

I want to know everything I need to be a solo guitarist and what i mean by this is i need a lot of virtual instruments. I also need advanced audio editing as well. Anything else is much wanted as well biggrin.gif Can you guys please help me out?

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post Jun 10 2009, 02:11 AM
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Good tread sigma7. Although there have been a few of these threads that have been passed around I believe this topic is kind of specific to the person, what you have now (software/equipment) and the end result you are going for.

Sorry I don't have any suggestions for you mate as I am figuring this out as well. I believe having the right VST, VSTI's make the difference. You also have to take the time to play around and don't be afraid to experiment. A good pair of studio monitors or something would be a good idea also.


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post Jun 10 2009, 02:13 AM
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Cubase SX3 and EzDrummer will get you a long way!

Do you need a good bass? Or are you planning of playing it yourself? If not, then i REALLY recommend a VSTi called Trilogy.
And if you use Trilogy, then i really recommend aquiring the Ampeg VST plugin, and running it through that. It works like Guitarrig for Bass.

Also, you might need some good compressors, equalizer plugins for your tracks/mixer.
Waves makes some good ones, but they arent cheap. Check out www.kvraudio.com for a bunch of freeware plugins.

Edirol Orchestra is a good and cheap one if you need some orchestral sounds, and if your looking for some more allaround synth-sounds, then ReFX Nexus is one i use whenever i get the chance.


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post Jun 10 2009, 02:48 AM
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What kind of software you will use mainly depends on what kind of music you want to create. As Trond said nicely, EZDrummer is a good place to start. You can use stock Cubase plugs to get started with some basic mixing techniques, like multiband compressor, reverb A, mod delay etc. Later on when you get familiar with those plugs and their functions (and their limitations) you can start investing in some of more advanced plugs from Wave, T-Rex etc. For startes, stock plugs are good enough.
You will definitely need bass and I recommend Trilogy as Trond. If you plan to get more serious with producing music you should get a master keyboard so you can type MIDI with it, but you can get pretty good results with a mouse as well, if you make a habit out of it. If you want bass VSTi with premade grooves, check out Virtual Bassist, it's very decent.
For pads, there are many options, and the choice is up to you there. I recommend Spectrasonics Atmosphere, this plug will definitely give you pretty much anything you want from synth sounds. For analog synths I recommend minimoog V.

let us know if you need more advices, we will be happy to provide you with any tips necessary to create good music. Cheers smile.gif


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post Jun 10 2009, 08:07 AM
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You got Cubase (DAW) and EZDrummer, so the basics are covered.
What you need imo is a great Bass plug-in (if you don't plan on playing this yourself),
and then I'd recommend Spectrasonics Trilogy.
As Trond also mentioned the IK Multimedia AMPEG SVX plug-in is perfect for getting an awesome bassound smile.gif

Now you got all the basics down, but you should need some plug-ins to tweak/mix/have fun with as well..
A Tube plug-in is great to add warmth to a track (of any kind, not just guitar, bass and drums),
and there's a free plug-in called TAL-TUBE which is great once you play around with it a little bit.

A plug-in to enhance the stereo sound of you audio recordings is great for fattening up the tracks.
This can be used in the mix or on single tracks, and sounds very nice.
Betabugsaudio havs a great tool called WideBug, and it's free as well!
Betabugsaudio also have a lot of other great free plug-ins worth checking out smile.gif

Many guitarists use from 2 to 8 rythm guitar tracks to get the sound they want,
and the amount of "fatness" they want etc.
VescoFX has a great stereo delay plug-in made for doubling tracks.
It sounds great, and it's easy to use. And best of all, it's free smile.gif
It's called FreeHAAS plug-in. Check THIS tutorial on how to use it and record a good heavy track.
VescoFX also has a great EQ called FreeQUEUE, and a free VST phase reverse plugin called FreeOutsider.
Worth checking out!

Also a good Compressor, Delay, Reverb and Chorus are also very nice to spic'en up the tracks smile.gif
KjaerhusAudio has some GREAT free plug-ins for everyday use, found HERE!

Now I think we've got it all covered.
If there's a plug-in I've mentioned you want to know more about, or need a demo of, don't be afraid to ask smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2009, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Jun 10 2009, 03:07 AM) *
You got Cubase (DAW) and EZDrummer, so the basics are covered.
What you need imo is a great Bass plug-in (if you don't plan on playing this yourself),
and then I'd recommend Spectrasonics Trilogy.
As Trond also mentioned the IK Multimedia AMPEG SVX plug-in is perfect for getting an awesome bassound smile.gif

Now you got all the basics down, but you should need some plug-ins to tweak/mix/have fun with as well..
A Tube plug-in is great to add warmth to a track (of any kind, not just guitar, bass and drums),
and there's a free plug-in called TAL-TUBE which is great once you play around with it a little bit.

A plug-in to enhance the stereo sound of you audio recordings is great for fattening up the tracks.
This can be used in the mix or on single tracks, and sounds very nice.
Betabugsaudio havs a great tool called WideBug, and it's free as well!
Betabugsaudio also have a lot of other great free plug-ins worth checking out smile.gif

Many guitarists use from 2 to 8 rythm guitar tracks to get the sound they want,
and the amount of "fatness" they want etc.
VescoFX has a great stereo delay plug-in made for doubling tracks.
It sounds great, and it's easy to use. And best of all, it's free smile.gif
It's called FreeHAAS plug-in. Check THIS tutorial on how to use it and record a good heavy track.
VescoFX also has a great EQ called FreeQUEUE, and a free VST phase reverse plugin called FreeOutsider.
Worth checking out!

Also a good Compressor, Delay, Reverb and Chorus are also very nice to spic'en up the tracks smile.gif
KjaerhusAudio has some GREAT free plug-ins for everyday use, found HERE!

Now I think we've got it all covered.
If there's a plug-in I've mentioned you want to know more about, or need a demo of, don't be afraid to ask smile.gif



Um, yeah i'd say that about covers it tongue.gif Thanks for all the links to cool VST plugins and there free so it makes it even better. wink.gif


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post Jun 10 2009, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (UncleSkillet @ Jun 10 2009, 05:19 PM) *
Um, yeah i'd say that about covers it tongue.gif Thanks for all the links to cool VST plugins and there free so it makes it even better. wink.gif


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Your welcome, glad you like it.
I use many of these myself, because they're actually VERY good for free plug-ins..
Hopefully you'll find something usable smile.gif
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post Jun 12 2009, 10:12 PM
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thanks everybody!!!! this info will set my career and musicianship in the right direction. Ive ordered the trilogy and still trying out the other programs. In aboeut a month, u may hear one my songs smile.gif Thanks again everybody for ur time and thoughts. They are much obliged.

smile.gif Thanks SO much!!!
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post Jun 13 2009, 03:09 AM
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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Jun 12 2009, 11:12 PM) *
thanks everybody!!!! this info will set my career and musicianship in the right direction. Ive ordered the trilogy and still trying out the other programs. In aboeut a month, u may hear one my songs smile.gif Thanks again everybody for ur time and thoughts. They are much obliged.

smile.gif Thanks SO much!!!
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You're welcome mate smile.gif
I'm looking forward to hearing your songs!!

I hope you find the sound you're looking for smile.gif
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post Jun 13 2009, 10:44 AM
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Hey guys,

All those stuff look really awesome. But for me, as I am a beginner, I can't imagine investing soooo much money buying them all just for doing REC and n00b backing tracks. Reason is 500$, Cubase is 1000$, Nuendo 2000$ (!), SONAR 8 370$, Trilogy 300$ and so on... I can't even understand what they are all doing! tongue.gif

I understand quality often come at a price. But for a start, I would like to use cheap software. So my question around that is what about Reaper (60$) + Cakewalk Studio Instrument (70$)? Can I use them together to create some basic backing tracks?

Perhaps, in a few times (years), when I will be comfortable with those I will upgrade to EZDrummer, Trilogy, etc... And then perhaps to Reason, SONAR or Cubase.

What do you think ? smile.gif


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post Jun 13 2009, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Keilnoth @ Jun 13 2009, 11:44 AM) *
Hey guys,

All those stuff look really awesome. But for me, as I am a beginner, I can't imagine investing soooo much money buying them all just for doing REC and n00b backing tracks. Reason is 500$, Cubase is 1000$, Nuendo 2000$ (!), SONAR 8 370$, Trilogy 300$ and so on... I can't even understand what they are all doing! tongue.gif

I understand quality often come at a price. But for a start, I would like to use cheap software. So my question around that is what about Reaper (60$) + Cakewalk Studio Instrument (70$)? Can I use them together to create some basic backing tracks?

Perhaps, in a few times (years), when I will be comfortable with those I will upgrade to EZDrummer, Trilogy, etc... And then perhaps to Reason, SONAR or Cubase.

What do you think ? smile.gif

Reaper is a VERY good program, and covers all you need to create professional backing tracks smile.gif
Cakewalk Studio Instruments looks very nice to be honest, although I haven't tried it..
But I'm pretty sure you can get great sounds out of it if you tweak a little smile.gif

I say, go for it!
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Keil,
IMHO Reaper is more than sufficient as a sequencer for a REC entry. It comes with a number of plug in vsts as well and if you want any more then take a look here.

For what its worth I use Reaper a lot and replaced Cubase with it. Reaper, imo, is a pro quality sequencer of a similar quality to the big commercial sequencers. At this level its generally more a case of finding a sequencer where you are comfortable with the workflow since, for the most part, feature wise they tend to be similar. (Some exceptions of course, ie Live is more about using clips; Reason about a closed integrated workstation; Sequoia/Samplitude about overall sound quality that is close to mastering level...)

WRT cakewalk studio instruments and Reaper - Reaper should be able to run the vsti versions of studio instruments.

Sigma,
wrt Cubase - don't forget that you could also upgrade to v5 (about 200 euros) and that Cubase 5 comes with a variety of v. good VSTs and VSTis inc Halion and Prologue and Embracer . These are as good as many of the commercial vst/vstis that people buy and then use. The included free vsts/vstis often get overlooked for some reason.

For advanced editing though I'd suggest that you invest in Wavelab6 or Audition v3 or Soundforge v9 or possibly even Samplitude v10.


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