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Muris Varajic
post Jun 19 2009, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 19 2009, 01:44 AM) *
So was the finals that you played in last saturday determined by a combination of the online popular vote AND judges???
But you don't know who exactly the judges were???? Sounds like they need to get their act together. I think GI is a great concept but the execution is lacking......it sounds like you and some of the other contestants agree. smile.gif


It wasn't combination, at least not for the title
cause winner was decided by public votes only as far as I know.
Rest of the prices were decided by judges tho.
I would have done it the other way around. smile.gif


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post Jun 19 2009, 12:52 AM
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This came straight off the email I recieved...

The Guitar Idol 2009 live final was broadcast exclusively as a webcast on our website as Licklibrary's coverage gave users the opportunity to participate in not only watching the live final but a unique chance to vote and help decide the winner.
Thousands registered and voted and alongside the judges helped crown Jack Thammarat as this year's winner.

You can now watch all the high quality videos online and for FREE. When you're done why not contribute to the show further by commenting on the performances on the new Guitar Idol Channel page.

We hope you enjoy the performances and who knows, this time next year it could well be you up there!


I would love to know the percentage ratio of online vs judge...


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post Jun 19 2009, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jun 19 2009, 12:46 AM) *
It wasn't combination, at least not for the title
cause winner was decided by public votes only as far as I know.
Rest of the prices were decided by judges tho.
I would have done it the other way around. smile.gif

Yeah....that is what Owen Vaughn said at the other forum. That means that it was basically a popularity contest.. mad.gif mad.gif

That SUCKS.....sorry Muris. sad.gif
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post Jun 19 2009, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 19 2009, 01:53 AM) *
Yeah....that is what Owen Vaughn said at the other forum. That means that it was basically a popularity contest.. mad.gif mad.gif

That SUCKS.....sorry Muris. sad.gif


Well I do understand them a bit,
you can't get lot of sponsors if you don't involve public enough,
you need good traffic on the site etc.
But yeah, it ended like popularity contest or som. smile.gif


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post Jun 19 2009, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jun 19 2009, 12:59 AM) *
Well I do understand them a bit,
you can't get lot of sponsors if you don't involve public enough,
you need good traffic on the site etc.
But yeah, it ended like popularity contest or som. smile.gif

I know things are way more involved than the appear to be.....it just sucks that it turns into a popularity contest. Why even have a live final then??

Do you feel it was beneficial for you to go out there and play? I don't mean the gigs you had with Emir either.. tongue.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 19 2009, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 19 2009, 02:51 AM) *
Do you feel it was beneficial for you to go out there and play?


It's always good to play live, specially in London at LIMS,
I have got some nice invitations regarding clinics and gigs,
this in still negotiating process so I can't talk a lot about it atm. smile.gif


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post Jun 19 2009, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jun 19 2009, 01:05 PM) *
It's always good to play live, specially in London at LIMS,
I have got some nice invitations regarding clinics and gigs,
this in still negotiating process so I can't talk a lot about it atm. smile.gif

Thats good to hear Muris......good luck with those things. smile.gif
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post Jun 19 2009, 03:19 PM
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When I was leaving the show on Saturday and just about to get in my car in the car park I looked behind me and following was Stuart Bull from Licklibrary, I still didnt know the result then so as he was getting in the car next to me I decided just to ask him how it went and what the results were.

According to him the Judges had Jack Thammerat in first place, cant remember who they had second but the judges scores had Muris in third place, the online vote pretty much followed the same pattern as the judges but the online votes (and I guess this is where you awesome GMC`ers came in smile.gif ) promoted Muris to a second spot smile.gif

Generally, talking to him they were very happy that the way the judges and online voting system worked and how it seemed to follow a similar trend so they felt that the final overall placings were spot on.

Pretty sure that they will either follow the same format next year or perhaps even do away with the floor judges all together and stick with online votes, who knows, they change the rules pretty much every five mins anyways laugh.gif


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post Jun 19 2009, 03:23 PM
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I think it should be judges only personally, else ye olden 'battle of the bands' rules start to apply - whoever brings the most friends wins. Which is lame when it's a contest of skill, not popularity.
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QUOTE (AdamB @ Jun 19 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I think it should be judges only personally, else ye olden 'battle of the bands' rules start to apply - whoever brings the most friends wins. Which is lame when it's a contest of skill, not popularity.

Totally agree with you Adam...
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post Jun 19 2009, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (AdamB @ Jun 19 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I think it should be judges only personally, else ye olden 'battle of the bands' rules start to apply - whoever brings the most friends wins. Which is lame when it's a contest of skill, not popularity.



I agree also, however there will always be a point of contention, at the end of the day you enter these things more for the publicity and exposure, imo Muris doesnt need a panel of judges to say he`s the best, we all know that to be fact smile.gif


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post Jun 19 2009, 04:57 PM
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I thought from watching the videos on the guitar idol site that the only people that stood a chance of winning was either muris or jack thammarat, so I suppose it worked out about right.

I have to say that I would of thought muris would have taken it, as although jack is an amazing guitarist, his style does remind me alot of other people. The moment I heard his track intro, I thought eric johnson, and then when it kicked off with the main part it sounded a lot like satriani and at times I could almost think I've heard it somewhere before.

However, muris' composition seems much more original. The only bit that I thought reminded me of something else was the little instrumental intro before muris starts playing on his entry video, which I reminded me of dire straits - ride across the river (think that's the track name), hehe.

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ok i know im late to the party,
this is my first time watching (sorry muris i love you but just didnt grab the chance)


is it me, or is the first place guy (jack's) playing very boring.


Muris had a something jack didnt....a melody...thats square one of shredding and solo guitar playing....it sounding like jack was just improvising, but muris had an actual song....maybe thats why he won, he did more noodling than muris did


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post Jun 19 2009, 05:25 PM
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I think he's playing basically the same as his entry video. Just that the thing that was really good about his entry was the tone of the guitar, rather than the melody itself, I suppose. I think in the live show that didn't come accross because of the sound issues and he started to sound a bit average. In fairness, he is very good, though. Just it's hard to look so good when your up against other great players.

But I guess it's more about the actual playing there, I'd kill to be able to play at that show. I suppose I'll just have to keep raging against my metronome...
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post Jun 19 2009, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Jun 19 2009, 05:57 PM) *
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is it me, or is the first place guy (jack's) playing very boring.

Muris had a something jack didnt....a melody...thats square one of shredding and solo guitar playing....it sounding like jack was just improvising, but muris had an actual song....maybe thats why he won, he did more noodling than muris did

My life would be fulfilled if, by "just improvising", i could come up with a song like jack's solo. laugh.gif
I think thats the beauty of music that people hear the same song differently. I found this song extremly melodic and very well structured.

In my opinion, this song follows satriani's approach to write instrumental guitar music not only for guitar player .. smile.gif



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post Jun 19 2009, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (AdamB @ Jun 19 2009, 11:25 AM) *
I think he's playing basically the same as his entry video. Just that the thing that was really good about his entry was the tone of the guitar, rather than the melody itself, I suppose. I think in the live show that didn't come accross because of the sound issues and he started to sound a bit average. In fairness, he is very good, though. Just it's hard to look so good when your up against other great players.

But I guess it's more about the actual playing there, I'd kill to be able to play at that show. I suppose I'll just have to keep raging against my metronome...


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I think that's the same song, and it's very pretty sounding here.


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Hey Muris, shame you didnt win and that the conditions werent clear, nice performance though biggrin.gif i wont say anything bad about the winner even though i think you should have won smile.gif


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QUOTE (wrk @ Jun 19 2009, 05:26 PM) *
My life would be fulfilled if, by "just improvising", i could come up with a song like jack's solo. laugh.gif
I think thats the beauty of music that people hear the same song differently. I found this song extremly melodic and very well structured.

In my opinion, this song follows satriani's approach to write instrumental guitar music not only for guitar player .. smile.gif

Totally agree with you here Andy. I've always said I'd rather have Vai's chops but Satch's songwriting skills.

EVERY ONE that competed at GI 09 was a world class player IMO. There is no objective way to judge who was the best.

Congrats again on making the finals Muris......Your performance ROCKED...\m/\m/

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In my opinion it's totally stupid to compete in guitar playing - but hey, it's kinda fun and it sure is a showcase for new talents. But when the push comes to shove, it's all about the ability to transmit and "speak" your own language to the audience. E.g - you must have something to say!

We all likes different styles and kind of music, but what really excites me and got me to pick up the guitar 35 years ago - is the energy in music, and that cannot be either taped, recorded or learnt (in the meaning of feeling, technique can anyone acchieve). For me, music is really a "live" and improvisation thing, it should be fun to see a competion where the contestant doesn't know the tunes in advance biggrin.gif

One thing that I realized during the years, is that the "attitude" you play something with is far more important than the actual notes you play. We all can learn tricky scales, fast runs and so on - it's just a matter of practice, but the attitude to music (and also life) comes from deep inside and reflects one's state of mind in the best cases. To be a good musician is to learn about life and be able to transform it to other people. At least in my opinion.

Excuse me for beeing a little philosophic here, I wish all the contestants that were competing all the luck in the future. They were all great in their own way!!!


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Some very nice lines you wrote Staffy!

Yeah, it'd be nice to see all players improvising
over unknown backing but that'd need even more time,
we had no time for sound check whatsoever. smile.gif


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