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post Jul 17 2009, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 16 2009, 11:17 PM) *
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Rhythm: you showed good feel for the use of longer note durations between faster passages to keep things interesting, just like in the other collab, but one thing that your rhythmic abilities lack and you should pay more attention to is dynamics of the rhythm as in the other collab. In general it is always to first follow to basic rule of solo dynamic buildup which says that it is good to start with bigger and end with more frequent smaller note durations. If you examine your solo you will hear that you started right away with familiar rhythmical sequences, and continue to use them right until the end of the solo. They do sound good, but spending more time in really developing the rhythmical sentences with more care is something that can raise your playing to a whole new level. You know when to stop, you gotta focus to learn how to build rhythm better.
Phrasing: As before, too many phrases are ended on the root, and it is the same root in the same octave. The use of Mixolydian mode here is noticeable and it definitely sounds interesting, but when using it, you have to handle it with care, cause pure mixolydian cannot work standalone in blues and create a nice bluesy effect. My suggestion here would be to mix two patters together. I've made a lesson on mixing the patterns that will come out any day now, so I suggest you check it out when it does. It's about mixing major and minor patterns in blues in order to create different feels. If you would wanted to apply it to your phrasing structure/style, you could use one mixolydian voiced riff with major 3rd and minor 7th and then introduce a nice blues minor pentatonic lick as a response. Then continue again over mixo mode, than use major penta, and so on. Various combos can be achieve and always keep it simple if you are just starting to experiment with new scales. This way you have more time to hear, focus, and get yourself familiar with all the notes you play.
Phrasing effects & technique: Very good playing throughout, using some nice faster legato sequences, and cool bends. All this needs some polishing, bends could be more tighter, and legato could be more cleaner. In essence, technique and effect elements used are good but could need more work. Also, more vibrato use would raise the quality level by a big step.
Sound: As on the other collab, it is a bit buzzy in the higher register, mainly due to overuse of distortion. I would keep the distortion down, turn on slight overdrive, and overdrive the amp before the actuall pedal. Use pedal as a booster, and use something like tubescreamer more than anything else. Also I think there is a bit too much space added, deep reverb that eats away the definition of your playing so during a play I get an impression that you play "behind" the track in a way. Try to use less drive and less space, and you will hear more defined and more dynamic sound definitely.


Thanks mate, really useful stuff in there, i will check out the new lesson on mixing the modes into standard penta licks for sure as introducing the modes is all new and exciting territory for me. My ultimate goal is effective phrasing and tone and hopefully the new lesson will open a few musical doors for me! As for tone I think I have an issue with the software Im using, the ux2 is severely limited in what programs it will operate and I am fast finding the limits of the pod farm package, I plan on upgrading the interface to something else though I havent got a clue what atm!
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post Jul 17 2009, 09:31 PM
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Great to hear that man, and just take it step by step. It will all come into place if you play and practice, nothing other than that. This new lesson will be part 1 of a bigger series, and it will have 5 parts, for each pentatonic box pattern.
As for hardware if I can help you with your choice let me know. I used UX1 before and stopped using it because although it is good for POD Farm/Gearbox, it cannot be used with other modelers properly. If you have a budget or something let me know and I'll recommend something.


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post Jul 18 2009, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 17 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Great to hear that man, and just take it step by step. It will all come into place if you play and practice, nothing other than that. This new lesson will be part 1 of a bigger series, and it will have 5 parts, for each pentatonic box pattern.
As for hardware if I can help you with your choice let me know. I used UX1 before and stopped using it because although it is good for POD Farm/Gearbox, it cannot be used with other modelers properly. If you have a budget or something let me know and I'll recommend something.


thanks man, dont want to hijack the thread too much but any piece of kit you could recommend would be great! It needs to have guitar and mic inputs (at least one of each, or would I be better off with seperate mic pre-amp?) be a stand alone unit similar to the ux2, outputs for my powered monitors (TRS i think?) but most of all needs to run things like amplitube fender without noticable latency. As for budget, well I would splash for something that will fulfil all my needs for the future, maybe a limit of 4-500 sterling? smile.gif
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post Jul 18 2009, 02:39 PM
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For 400-500 pounds you can get pretty good system, possibly even an overkill. If you need USB interface that already narrowes it down a lot. There are only a few of external USB interfaces that would fullfill your needs:

For starters let me recommend the cheapest option that I think it is quite enough actually, and it goes around 150 pounds:
EMU 0404USB:

This device has 2/2 analog IO configuration. Both inputs are Hi impendance inputs suitable for instruments, and also both inputs have great mix preamps. It has balanced outputs of course, and in overall it's a great interface. If I would compare a toneport with these, toneport would be a toy, despite the fact toneport is a hi-priced package for other reasons.
With these device you will be able to run Amplitube Fender or Guitar Rig with latency less then 10ms which is enough to play without any noticeable latency. Latency may increase if you use more plugins, but it is safe to say that they will work with no problem at all.
Another good thing about this card is that it has more I/O ports, 2 pairs, and they are covered via digital connection. This means that if in the future you want to get more inputs and outputs (for example you want to get outboard effect processor and put it in digital FX loop or just record 4 mics at the same time) you can upgrade the device easily but getting external device that you may need. I find this kind of modular approach very practical because you can get the devices you need, and use them for different purposes.
This is not the end of the story, for the end take a look what you get with this device for free as an icing on the cake:
E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle CD-ROM (Windows)
- Cakewalk SONAR LE
- Steinberg Cubase LE
- Steinberg Wavelab Lite
- Celemony Melodyne essential
- IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE
- SFX Machine LT
- Minnetonka diskWelder BRONZE (trial)
- E-MU Proteus® VX CD-ROM - over 1000 sounds included (Windows)
- Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU CD-ROM (Windows/Macintosh)

For 150 pounds you will get a great deal, and still save enough money to buy other interesting stuff that you may need as well.

Another interesting device with a bit more features and a bit more expensive (around 200pounds) is M-Audio Fasttrack Ultra 8x8


Downside of this product is that it's software bundle is very slim, but upside is that you can do some very interesting things with available inputs and outputs, for example:

1. You can use one free I/O path for reamping the clean guitar track in your DAW by using your Blackstar head. send the signal to blackstart and return it via DI out to Fasttrack and DAW. This way you will hear overdrive from your head.
2. Use all your external pedal or rack effects in the same send/return combinations as outboard gear for hardware effect processing purposes.

This card can enable this, and it is probably a fast one, so I would say this is a good choice as well. It can be upgradable for 8 I/O paths which is quite enough and it has 4 I/O analog combo out of the box (2 of inputs being HiZ).



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post Jul 18 2009, 03:38 PM
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Here's mine, it's not as 'polished' as I'd like but I had do it in a bit of a rush before I go away next week!!
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wow! thx mate, they both look great and the first one is same price as the UX2? I dont understand that at all, guess i fell for the marketing blurb!
I dont actually have an amp atm but I am looking at some nice effects, I am assuming I can run my effects as a front end into the card and record into my DAW?
Also I would assume that this needs to be run in a DAW and use a third party software such as amplitube as a vst?
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post Jul 18 2009, 04:20 PM
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wow! thx mate, they both look great and the first one is same price as the UX2? I dont understand that at all, guess i fell for the marketing blurb!

UX2 is definitely overpriced unit and I would never recommending getting one now. Optimal choice with Line 6 gear is only UX1 or GX if you really don't have any money. The thing that keeps the price with Line 6 gear is the fact it is more guitar player oriented, and it's plug& play abilities, but they are in essence poor interfaces with big latency and weak to run any third party software. With Line 6 it's all about proper marketing, and they do a good job, but in terms of quality product for the price, UX2 is one of the (if not the) worst in it's price range.

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I dont actually have an amp atm but I am looking at some nice effects, I am assuming I can run my effects as a front end into the card and record into my DAW?

I thought you have Blackstar stack based on your signature, sorry..
Yes you can run any effects you want in front of your system, but some effects like reverb or delay work best after the modeling, so their place is in insert or loop return connection.

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Also I would assume that this needs to be run in a DAW and use a third party software such as amplitube as a vst?

With 0404 USB you get PatchMix, great patching software by EMU. It is a bit hard to understand at beginning but if you read the manual it's failry easy. I can give suggestions here as well I've learned it so far. This patchmix is sort of a virtual mixing desk for managing all I/O connections and other important audio paths.
Yes you need to run third party VST plugin inside DAW to process the guitar sound. This works best if you record clean guitar and use plugs later to model the sound. You can monitor the modeled sound while you play of course, these cards have low latency for that. With 0404USB you will get Cubase LE and Amplitube LE so you can start doing some tests right away and see how it goes.

I can tell you that when I changed from Toneport to EMU I changed completely all the hardware and VST plugs so this will require some time adapting and you will probably feel frustrated and not being able to dial in the tones you liked so much with POD Farm, but rest assure those troubles are short termed and you will quickly be very happy with the speed and audio quality of this device. EMU has great quality build, better than M-Audio, everything is rock solid and made for extensive use. Definitely a keeper. I also suggest you switch ti Cubase LE if you aren't using it now, because it is a LOT better than Reaper, and easier too once you get used to it.


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post Jul 18 2009, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Jul 18 2009, 04:38 PM) *
Here's mine, it's not as 'polished' as I'd like but I had do it in a bit of a rush before I go away next week!!
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Rhythm: great feeling for the blues rhythm and this track in overall. I like how you progressed with note values from start to end. In some places there are notes that could possibly be left out, but I think the rhythm was good nonetheless. One thing that I could possibly suggest is tightening up the rhythm and note execution a bit. In the first part everything is nice and solid, but in the second part and towards the end I would like to hear more defined notes. I like the staccato style in the first part and all the notes had a nice borders between each other, but in the second part it kinds muddies here and there, specially on the faster sequences. So this would be something to practice a bit with a metronome.
Phrasing: Good phrases and good licks throughout. First two phrases are ended on the root, and I would like to see the other phrase resolve on some other note than the root to keep it more interesting. After that you inserted a nice Phrygian moment in there, which sounds very good to me. Right up until the end there are several very cool licks. What I would like to hear in the second part is possibly more logic, structure and connection between all those nice licks to form a story. You did nice syncopation and went to various places with the landing notes which sounded cool, but somehow I was getting the impression that you need to work a bit more on analyzing the phrases and using them as whole. Just a though to pay more attention on.
Phrasing techniques & Technique: I really like the fact that you used vibrato throughout the solo, but my impression is that it should be even more tighter, wider and more even. You do it fast, and vibrato should be a bit slower and in sync with the backing. Good way to vibrate the string is using 3 consecutive bends during one click, which means vibrating using eight note triplets. On this kind of slow backing using fast vibrato could be achieved using sixteen note triplets, so pay more attention on that synchronization is my advice here.
Sound: Very interesting sound, has a bit of a throaty character that can be found sometimes when using wah pedal. I like the tone color, but the overall quality of the preset could be better in terms of dynamics and buzzing in the higher register. These are minor problems, and I think both can be fixed with some EQing and compression. In general amount of overdrive is just about enough.


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Thanks Ivan, some very useful points there! Unfortunately I had takes where the 2nd half was clearer but the 1st half wasn't so good, so this was kind of the best 'average' one!
I have been working on my Vibrato, I'm getting there. Slowly!! biggrin.gif

I know the sound wasn't very good either, I'm having to record by using my 'Live Rig' into the Mic Line and using Audacity, so unfortunately there's not too much scope for EQ and Compression with this set up! sad.gif

I may do another take when I get back (in about 10 days) if that's OK with you? I'm working at the WOMAD festival on Tuesday for about a week or so!
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post Jul 22 2009, 08:43 PM
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Here's my first take.. improvised smile.gif

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post Jul 24 2009, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Jul 19 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Thanks Ivan, some very useful points there! Unfortunately I had takes where the 2nd half was clearer but the 1st half wasn't so good, so this was kind of the best 'average' one!
I have been working on my Vibrato, I'm getting there. Slowly!! biggrin.gif

I know the sound wasn't very good either, I'm having to record by using my 'Live Rig' into the Mic Line and using Audacity, so unfortunately there's not too much scope for EQ and Compression with this set up! sad.gif

I may do another take when I get back (in about 10 days) if that's OK with you? I'm working at the WOMAD festival on Tuesday for about a week or so!
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I would very much like to hear more takes on this one if you find the time. It will be fun to comment and compare the takes. I will get into more detail with comparisons when I hear the take. Thanks man! smile.gif


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post Jul 26 2009, 05:07 AM
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Just in time wink.gif

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On this one I did like 10 takes and put up the best one.

For Fun, heres one that did not make the cut, I kinda went "happy" on this one. tongue.gif


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<<Whoops, I named the file New Wave, but it is stormy LOLOL

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Ivan I am sorry, I'm going to have to drop out. I injured my picking hand and I have not been able to practice more than few minutes each day. I had an x-ray today, hopefully find out what is the problem.


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Hi Ivan, here's mine.... I have been busy with the competition, so excuse me for the delay...
I've done this about half an hour until i got a take that was decent....
Mexican Strat straight to my Marshall 2203, added a little delay & reverb +
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Dexxter:

Rhythm: Very good ideas, and tasty rhythmical figures, sounds very good to my ears. There are only couple of notes that have timing issues in the beginning and at the end, but these mistakes are mostly small - just notes that are not exactly on the beat. Other than that I think you really have a nice feel for the note durations and syncopation, specially those long bends. I like the fact you used shorter note durations towards the end. Focus more on those shaky notes in the beginning and end and it should be perfect.
Phrasing & Structure: You started to develop well the first part of the solo, and the second part as well, but towards the end phrases kinda loose touch with one another. Problem with the last couple of phrases is choosing good ending notes to round them up like logical musical sentences. All the phrases should correlate with one another and form a sort of a story. With a minimalistic approach that you used here it is relatively hard to achieve that cause every note carries more heaviness and function to itself. I would advise spending more time on focusing developing question&answer phrasing pairs to really get the feel for them. Other than that I really like the licks and the bends, they really fit nicely.
Technique: Your technique is great, good clean playing, and well defined notes. Some bends are a bit shaky and not precise, but all in all good use of them, and also good use of vibratos.
Sound: Great sound that cuts well through the mix, in the mids and round. Little crunchy, exactly the amount that is needed. No mistakes here from what I can hear.



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Rhythm: Good start and good use of rhythmic phrases to develop the solo to the peak in the middle with some more shorter durations. Towards the end a slow turn again, and in the end a solid wrap up. I think you play very interestingly your rhythmical sentences, and they do form a structure that is very nice. The thing that I could recommend possibly is inserting more longer notes, for example longer bends and holding them, this would really add a new dimension to this take. Just a thought. The whole solo has a nice structure, intro, build up, climax, build down, outro, very nicely rounded, just need to work more on finesses like connecting them in a more natural way, which is heavily related to melodic phrases as well.
Phrasing: Good development and nice melodic all around in a solo, nice notes are used, and sounds pretty solid. The part that needs a bit more work is the second part. I have a feeling that there are some unfinished and undefined phrases in there that could could really represent the world difference.
Techniques: Several techniques used that are good, palm muting for one, that is executed successfully throughout, and then bends and vibrato. I would suggest a bit more work on bending. It has to be precisely in pitch every time.
Sound: Your sound is good but I think it lacked some dynamics and mids to really cut through the mix. I will raise the level a bit in the final mix so it comes out nicely, and this is just something I would modify here. Other than that, I believe that a smaller amount of gain would really define your tone even better than it is now.


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Rhythm: Just great, almost perfect, some timing issues that are strictly technical nature, but the sense of syncopation and rhythmic build up in your playing is just without any problems at all. Great job. Overall great take, really great sense for the blues.
Phrasing: Very tastefully used licks and phrases, that really have a nice development, every note is in it's place, very cool. In the middle there is that a bit odd arpeggio out of the bloom is good, but I have a feeling it is there more because of the habit of doing it instead of phrasing intentions. I like it, but could be a bit smoother I think, rhythmically as well.
Techniques: I beleive your tone control is very good and you are really playing these licks and phrases with a good deal of comfort. There is room for improvement since there are notes that are a bit loose, but it is not of major importance. Also noise could be a bit of an issue on several places, so try to keep your tone as tight as you can and only let the things you play to ring out.
Sound: Although the sound has just the right amount of drive, dynamics and space, I am finding that top end sizzle is a bit harsh on some high notes. Possibly smoothing out the presence range a bit with the EQ would really make it very nice. Not too much of course, so it doesn't loose the sparkle, just that spot with the harshness.

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Ivan I am sorry, I'm going to have to drop out. I injured my picking hand and I have not been able to practice more than few minutes each day. I had an x-ray today, hopefully find out what is the problem.

No problem man, and sorry to hear about that. I hope you get better soon man.


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 30 2009, 12:26 PM) *
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 30 2009, 07:26 PM) *
Dexxter:

Rhythm: Very good ideas, and tasty rhythmical figures, sounds very good to my ears. There are only couple of notes that have timing issues in the beginning and at the end, but these mistakes are mostly small - just notes that are not exactly on the beat. Other than that I think you really have a nice feel for the note durations and syncopation, specially those long bends. I like the fact you used shorter note durations towards the end. Focus more on those shaky notes in the beginning and end and it should be perfect.
Phrasing & Structure: You started to develop well the first part of the solo, and the second part as well, but towards the end phrases kinda loose touch with one another. Problem with the last couple of phrases is choosing good ending notes to round them up like logical musical sentences. All the phrases should correlate with one another and form a sort of a story. With a minimalistic approach that you used here it is relatively hard to achieve that cause every note carries more heaviness and function to itself. I would advise spending more time on focusing developing question&answer phrasing pairs to really get the feel for them. Other than that I really like the licks and the bends, they really fit nicely.
Technique: Your technique is great, good clean playing, and well defined notes. Some bends are a bit shaky and not precise, but all in all good use of them, and also good use of vibratos.
Sound: Great sound that cuts well through the mix, in the mids and round. Little crunchy, exactly the amount that is needed. No mistakes here from what I can hear.


Thanks a lot for the comment, Ivan! I agree on everything you said smile.gif I don't improvise too often I have to say, so a lot of the things you said maybe wouldn't apply if I would've composed a take. But don't get me wrong, I appreciate your comment A LOT! I think I simply need to improvise more, and that way become quicker in my mind and fingers smile.gif Thanks again, Ivan, you boosted my motivation to start improvising more biggrin.gif
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post Jul 31 2009, 07:57 PM
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Thanks man, I appreciate your words. I really liked your take and playing and I think you have a great possibility to advance more. I'll keep an eye on your progress on the forum to be able to compare with this take in the future. Keep rocking! smile.gif


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