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Ironhead85
post Feb 19 2007, 07:21 PM
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Listen my band wants to do some home recording and I need some suggestions. I know MAC is the way to go but I'm not a producer and I don't want to be, we just want to make some decent audio that we can edit and clean up. So I have a windows PC and an 8 channel mixer. We are hooking up 2 mics, 2 guitars, a bass, and then we will play the songs twice and mic the drums on a seperate session. My delema ( cannot spell) is that I need hardware to hook the mixer into my computer and I do not want to spend a lot of money. The PC should be ok for us, 1gb ram, 80gb harddrive, 3.2gb pent 4 with HT. We will get a bigger harddrive when we need it of course but for starter 80 is plenty.

I am using a Yamaha EMX312SC 8-Channel Powered Mixer. Click here for musicians friend link.


Any suggestions, pref. under $100. Doesn't have to have a lot of features, just has to hook up analog or digital (id prefer digital but ill take analog to save money).

just for starters maybe the Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 USB-Audio Interface. click here!!!@#$@$@5sdfjgbhzd


Ty for your input guys
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post Feb 19 2007, 07:32 PM
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hey ironhead85 -

from one Pennsylvanian to another i would say pick yourself up the line 6 toneport ux1... it has the stereo line inputs you need to keep the quality.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Lin...face?sku=249700

for $130 you can't beat what it has to offer...

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post Feb 19 2007, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (Ironhead85 @ Feb 19 2007, 07:21 PM) *
Listen my band wants to do some home recording and I need some suggestions. I know MAC is the way to go but I'm not a producer and I don't want to be, we just want to make some decent audio that we can edit and clean up. So I have a windows PC and an 8 channel mixer. We are hooking up 2 mics, 2 guitars, a bass, and then we will play the songs twice and mic the drums on a seperate session. My delema ( cannot spell) is that I need hardware to hook the mixer into my computer and I do not want to spend a lot of money. The PC should be ok for us, 1gb ram, 80gb harddrive, 3.2gb pent 4 with HT. We will get a bigger harddrive when we need it of course but for starter 80 is plenty.

I am using a Yamaha EMX312SC 8-Channel Powered Mixer. Click here for musicians friend link.
Any suggestions, pref. under $100. Doesn't have to have a lot of features, just has to hook up analog or digital (id prefer digital but ill take analog to save money).

just for starters maybe the Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 USB-Audio Interface. click here!!!@#$@$@5sdfjgbhzd
Ty for your input guys



Sorry I can't help much on the PC part, but do you mean that you are recording the drums after the guitars and bass?
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post Feb 19 2007, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (jeff @ Feb 19 2007, 01:33 PM) *
Sorry I can't help much on the PC part, but do you mean that you are recording the drums after the guitars and bass?



I dunno, i just mean seperately becaceause we dont have enough mics to do it at the same time .


y do u have a tip or 2 for me?
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post Feb 19 2007, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE (Ironhead85 @ Feb 19 2007, 07:43 PM) *
I dunno, i just mean seperately becaceause we dont have enough mics to do it at the same time .
y do u have a tip or 2 for me?


I was asking because it is more difficult to track drums after you have already recorded the guitars and bass first. There is almost always a timming issue. Only two mics puts a limitation on you, but it also depends on the purpose of your recording. If it's a simple demo, you can probably just get away with placing the mics in the areas where you think it will capture the best sound in the room. Send one mic left and one right and play and record. Pretty simple.

Is there a way that you can get a click track for your drummer to listen to and play along with it so that you can record the drums first without guitars? Perhaps through your computer? That way you can have the drum tracks already layed out for you to listen to and record the guitars afterwards. If you only have two mics, use one between the high-hat and the snare and another in front of the bass drum. You really are limited there. You may have a difficult time capturing a good drum sound.

Perhaps you can just use one overhead mic on the left side of the kit and another on the right side and record the drums that way - experiment. I typically record in this order, but everyone is different:

1. Drums
2. Bass
3. Rythm Guitar
4. Vocals
5. Lead Guitar
6. Special effects

What kind of mics do you have?
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post Feb 19 2007, 08:53 PM
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I have 4 mics, but I'm new to recording, so I was way off track but you just helped me alot indirectly. I had an idea based on you saying to make a click track, We will prolly record everything once as a rough draft, then record each instrument seperately so that we can use the rough draft as a guide through some headphones. I was thinking I'm susposed to record all instruments at once as a final copy, lol noob here.

I actually can have access to a 5th mic but its much higher end then the other ones. So could use suggest a drum set up with 4 average mics and 1 $200 mic. smile.gif It is an 8 piece drum set. 4 toms, 1 floor tom, snare and 2 bass drums. Cymbals = 1 ride and 2 crash and 1 high-hat
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post Feb 19 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE (Ironhead85 @ Feb 19 2007, 08:53 PM) *
I have 4 mics, but I'm new to recording, so I was way off track but you just helped me alot indirectly. I had an idea based on you saying to make a click track, We will prolly record everything once as a rough draft, then record each instrument seperately so that we can use the rough draft as a guide through some headphones. I was thinking I'm susposed to record all instruments at once as a final copy, lol noob here.

I actually can have access to a 5th mic but its much higher end then the other ones. So could use suggest a drum set up with 4 average mics and 1 $200 mic. smile.gif It is an 8 piece drum set. 4 toms, 1 floor tom, snare and 2 bass drums. Cymbals = 1 ride and 2 crash and 1 high-hat



Wow! That's a big kit! cool.gif I usually place a mic between the snare and the hit-hat, aimed at the snare. Usually an overhead mic takes care of the cymbals. If you are going to use the $200 mic I would use it as the overhead. I'm saying that because I assume that it is a condenser mic - you would need phantom power if so. If you are not, then use one of the other ones as an overhead centered over the kit about a foot or so up.

Now you have either two or three mic's left. You will need one mic for each bass drum because you have a double. That leaves you with none or one. If you have one left over, place it somewhere around the third tom and try to capture the floor tom with it as well. Micing drums really is an art in itself. You will need to do a lot of experimenting with a kit that size and only a few mics. I have a five piece kit and I use 7 mics on it. I'm sure you will find the right mix with experimentation. Also, if you have a blanket to hang around or in front of the kit to keep the sound from bouncing all around, that would help. I think the most important thing is to get a good snare and bass sound. That's what most people hear. I use Sure sm57's on my drums.

I record most of my guitar/bass/vocal signals "dry" and apply effects in the mix down. Of course, that depends on what I am after. If I need the sound of a balls-out Marshall turned up to eleven then I do that. I can't overstress the importance of a good bass signal too. It can kill you if it's too weak or if it's too dynamic. If you have access to a compressor, use it to smooth out the bass! Your song will thank you!

I love recording as much as I do playing. And I'll try to help you out with as much as I can. Right now I use a Roland VS1880. I have used Cubase in the past (a long time ago) and it worked well, but I started to get frustrated with all of the PC crashes, software incompatability, etc. I found that it was taking time away from playing because I was always fixing something about the PC or installing the newest drivers.
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post Feb 20 2007, 04:04 PM
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i have to put my voice to the line 6.

well i am using the line 6 pod xtl. it is working on the same issue.

if i understand corectly it dosen't give you monitor this is way it dosen't have the problem of delay. all the recording of me here you here thorugh it.

and by the way you can adjust cubase to record with delay and then there will be no delay wink.gif


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