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post Jul 22 2009, 04:06 PM
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I've just found out what locking tuners actually are, but there's something I still want to know about them that I can't find anywhere.

If you have a guitar with a fixed bridge, and no locking tuners, and you tune it down half a step will it stay there on the first tuning, or will you have to keep tuning down several times before it settles into the new tuning. If it would need to be tuned down several times before it settled, would locking tuners fix the problem.

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post Jul 22 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 22 2009, 04:06 PM) *
I've just found out what locking tuners actually are, but there's something I still want to know about them that I can't find anywhere.

If you have a guitar with a fixed bridge, and no locking tuners, and you tune it down half a step will it stay there on the first tuning, or will you have to keep tuning down several times before it settles into the new tuning. If it would need to be tuned down several times before it settled, would locking tuners fix the problem.

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If it has a fixed bridge it should just stay.....locking tuners or not. Locking tuners are more useful for a tremolo equipped guitar IMO.... smile.gif If the tremolo equipped guitar has a locking nut then locking tuners are overkill......IMO smile.gif
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post Jul 22 2009, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 22 2009, 11:06 AM) *
I've just found out what locking tuners actually are, but there's something I still want to know about them that I can't find anywhere.

If you have a guitar with a fixed bridge, and no locking tuners, and you tune it down half a step will it stay there on the first tuning, or will you have to keep tuning down several times before it settles into the new tuning. If it would need to be tuned down several times before it settled, would locking tuners fix the problem.

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I would have to say it would help some. I think you will always have some string stretch from playing. What I know of locking tuners is that they lock the string to the post so that you don't have to make multiple wraps etc. At least that's the way my Sperzel locking tuners work. I had assumed that they would lock the post so that it would not turn. Other brands may do just that. IDK


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post Jul 22 2009, 04:46 PM
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On a fixed bridge guitar locking tuners only help when you change strings. You lock the strings, cut the loose end off and you tune up.

When doing alternate tunings you should ofc bare in mind that strings have to adjust to the new tension. So the answer is no, locking tuners won't help the guitar stay in tune when tuning down a half step. They still make retuning about 1/3 the time than average smile.gif


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post Jul 22 2009, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ Jul 22 2009, 04:46 PM) *
On a fixed bridge guitar locking tuners only help when you change strings. You lock the strings, cut the loose end off and you tune up.

When doing alternate tunings you should ofc bare in mind that strings have to adjust to the new tension. So the answer is no, locking tuners won't help the guitar stay in tune when tuning down a half step. They still make retuning about 1/3 the time than average smile.gif


So you'll be able to change tunings quicker with locking tuners than without?
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They are just like any other tuners, they don't lock your current tuning; they lock your string so you don't need to wrap the string arround the peg a few times to get tuning stability, you just put the string in, lock, tune and cut of the rest!


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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 22 2009, 05:48 PM) *
So you'll be able to change tunings quicker with locking tuners than without?


Oops, sorry for the confusion, in the last sentence I wanted to write restringing . On a fixed bridge guitar that's the only improvement. On a guitar with tremolo you won't need locks at the nut and the tuning is more stable. On a fixed bridge guitar the locking tuners don't affect tuning stability.


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I'm really killing myself then. I have locking tuners on two guitars and I lock them down, but then still wrap. I use the locking tuner to keep the string from slipping when I am wrapping. **shrug**


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post Jul 22 2009, 09:29 PM
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My LP has locking tuners, cant say i notice that it stays in tune any better than my other guitars, once the strings are starting to stretch it still goes out, and I still wrap too, I watched a Danny Gatton dvd and he said "Always wrap as much string as possible" if he says its the thing to do, thats reason enough for me!
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Locking tuners won't make downtuning any faster, but sure make changing strings a bit faster. I've got them on my strat, and love them. It rarely goes out of tune.


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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Jul 22 2009, 09:17 PM) *
I'm really killing myself then. I have locking tuners on two guitars and I lock them down, but then still wrap. I use the locking tuner to keep the string from slipping when I am wrapping. **shrug**


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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Jul 22 2009, 08:17 PM) *
I'm really killing myself then. I have locking tuners on two guitars and I lock them down, but then still wrap. I use the locking tuner to keep the string from slipping when I am wrapping. **shrug**


Hehe, I did the same thing too when I had my first locking tuners-equipped guitar biggrin.gif


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There should be no difference when switching to a different tuning.

QUOTE (sted @ Jul 22 2009, 10:29 PM) *
I watched a Danny Gatton dvd and he said "Always wrap as much string as possible" if he says its the thing to do, thats reason enough for me!


I read a lot about it and I've never heard of that. When I had standard tuners on my strat I would wrap as little string as possible (like one and a half turn, sth crazy for standard tuners), so SOMETIMES it even slipped for a while (a couple of hours) before it settled in place, but when it settled, it stayed in tune perfectly!!! I couldn't make it go out of tune. A couple of months ago I got Wilkinson locking tuners, which are great, but I haven't noticed that they were any better than standard tuners I had, because standard ones were so good with only a couple of wrap arounds!

And I wrap as little as possible on my Les Paul (vintage tuners), and it really stays in tune no matter how hard I bend!


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post Jul 26 2009, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (sted @ Jul 22 2009, 10:29 PM) *
My LP has locking tuners, cant say i notice that it stays in tune any better than my other guitars, once the strings are starting to stretch it still goes out, and I still wrap too, I watched a Danny Gatton dvd and he said "Always wrap as much string as possible" if he says its the thing to do, thats reason enough for me!


Yeah, Danny has a point, more wraps do help with staying in tune
but you need to be aware of how you warp as well, not just how much.
If you warp sloppy with lots of overlapping it might causes you troubles. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 26 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Yeah, Danny has a point, more wraps do help with staying in tune
but you need to be aware of how you warp as well, not just how much.
If you warp sloppy with lots of overlapping it might causes you troubles. smile.gif

Then I guess it's not how many wraps you do, but HOW you wrap them...


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post Jul 26 2009, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Zecic @ Jul 26 2009, 03:43 PM) *
Then I guess it's not how many wraps you do, but HOW you wrap them...


I guess it's about how AND how many...


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On the other hand Dave Erlewine says the more wraps worse tunning as you are wrapping/unwrepping as you bend,
I got Locking tunner on my Carvin and it nevers go out of tune, even leaving the guitar for a week the tunning stays the same.


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 26 2009, 03:52 PM) *
I guess it's about how AND how many...

Well, some guys say it's better to wind as much as possible and some guys say it's better to do the opposite. I wind it as little as possible, but I keep it as tight as possible all the time; while you wrap as much as possible, also keeping it tight and we get the same result! biggrin.gif


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