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Matt23
post Jul 22 2009, 04:40 PM
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Soon I'm going to get my new Parker PM-20 (Mahogany body, bubinga top, mahogany neck and ebony fretboard) and when I do, I plan to change the Parker pickups for something good.

At the moment I'm looking at these combinations.

Bridge: PAF Pro
Neck: Dimarzio Air Norton

Bridge: Seymour Duncan Custom
Neck: Seymour Duncan Jazz

Bridge: PAF Pro
Neck: Seymour Duncan Jazz

I'm looking for versatile pickups, that are decent for Metal, Rock, Jazz, Fusion, Blues etc, that can do coil tapping. I want a nice fat, warm tone in the neck, and a screamingtone with good harmonics in the bridge. I'm prepared to sacrifice some of these tones though for more versatility. I saw this comparison, and the Dimarzios seemed better for distortion and metal, while the SDs seemed better for clean sounds, so I'm not sure which to get.

Also the PAF 36th Anniversary pickup is "Vintage Output". Does this really mean anything? Does it just mean I'll have to roll the drive control a bit further than normal, or will it actually not sound good for metal.

Anyway if you have any experience with these pickups, SDs or dimarzios, or just pickups in general, then I'd be very interested to hear what you think I should get. Also if you have any different suggestions for pickups I'd like to hear them too. Finally I'd like to know if the "output" of a pickup actually makes a big difference.

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post Jul 22 2009, 04:44 PM
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Before recommending ANY pickups I need to know the woods that your Parker is made of...


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post Jul 22 2009, 04:46 PM
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Mahogany body, bubinga top, mahogany neck and ebony fretboard.

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post Jul 22 2009, 04:50 PM
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Neck? Also mahagony?

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post Jul 22 2009, 04:53 PM
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Yeh
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post Jul 22 2009, 05:25 PM
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Output: A pickup with low output will not drive an amp on it's own, they have a better clean tone and a lot more dynamic to picking but you have to have an amp with A LOT of gain to get them to a high gain rock or metal sound. Low output pickups tend to not get a long with a high gain sound too well (fuzzy or muddy tone on high gain) and they tend to feedback a lot.

High output means that the pickup drives the amps distortionon it's own, making it easier to get some Metal/rock tones but at the same time making it more difficult to get a clean tone. Those pickups will sound best with a lot of overdrive and they handle high gain better but they will sound too harsh for most other styles.

A medium output pickup would be best as you try to cover a lot of genres (medium output alnico or low output ceramic) but it is up to personal preferance. I like high output pickups for myself and I roll down the volume on the guitar to achieve lower gain tones, others prefer vintage low output humbuckers and add pedals in front of their amps to get high gain tones...



Then the JB might sound a little bit too dark but I guess it'll still work as the Parker is a very thin guitar...

The JB is a great allrounder, another candidate would be a Sh-5 Custom, it's a PAF on steroids with a low powered ceramic magnet. The Sh-5 makes a great allrounder too but it's sounds diffrent to the SH-4 (I think Emir has the Sh-5 in his guitar).

If you stay with SD then pair one of those with a Jazz Neck for maximum versatility, the 59 isn't really a great sounding pickup...

If you choose DiMarzios then go for a Paf Pro Set, they are all time classics capable of almost any style!

Finally if you have some more cash to spend then go for Bareknuckle pickups! They are handmade in the UK and therefore more expensive but also a WHOLE LOT better than factory made pups... A Black Dog bridge and Mule Neck pickup from Bareknuckle would make a great versatile match (Joe Kataldo has this set in his signature guitar)


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post Jul 22 2009, 06:07 PM
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Something I forgot to mention. I need coil-tapping. Can all those pickups you mention do coil-tapping?
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post Jul 22 2009, 06:08 PM
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the first combo you said is the one id go for cool.gif

the PAF is like a gibson humbucker, the sound will be really nice and warm, and sounds great distorted or over driven

The air norton is great too...its used by many professionals ..



im going to agree with Zack, the Duncan JB is a little dark, i dont like the sound of it in my guitars ash body.


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post Jul 22 2009, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Jul 22 2009, 06:08 PM) *
the first combo you said is the one id go for cool.gif

the PAF is like a gibson humbucker, the sound will be really nice and warm, and sounds great distorted or over driven

The air norton is great too...its used by many professionals ..



im going to agree with Zack, the Duncan JB is a little dark, i dont like the sound of it in my guitars ash body.


And you don't think that because it's low output it will sound "muddy" with lots of distortion like Zakk said it might.

Ok now I'm considering this:

Bridge: Dimarzio PAF Pro
Neck: Dimarzio Air Norton
or
Bridge: SD Duncan Custom
Neck: SD Jazz

I'm still looking into Bareknuckle pickups.

Also, is there any reason not to have say a Dimarzio in the bridge and an SD in the neck?
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post Jul 22 2009, 06:39 PM
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ive been using lower output stuff to play metal all the time, i dont get muddy at all...my favorite pick up ive ever used is the PAF because it is so versatile...when played clean it almost sounds like a neck pick up, but depending on how you EQ, it will sound fine distorted


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post Jul 22 2009, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Jul 22 2009, 06:39 PM) *
ive been using lower output stuff to play metal all the time, i dont get muddy at all...my favorite pick up ive ever used is the PAF because it is so versatile...when played clean it almost sounds like a neck pick up, but depending on how you EQ, it will sound fine distorted


What pickups do you use?
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post Jul 22 2009, 07:07 PM
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Pafs are not really low output...

When I speak about low output I mean pickups with less than 10k resistance like for example SD Alnico II pickups, real vintage style pus. Most Paf pickups like the Paf PRo or the Sh-5 are vintage pafs on steroids with medium output. From 10k to 17k pickups are medium output and everything with 17k and more is commonly considered High Output (although DC resistance isn't the only criteria)

If you want to coilsplit your pickups then look at then conductors the pickups come with. If the Pickups has only a braided 2 conductor then coilsplitting is impossible, you need multiple conductor cables to wire a pickup to coilsplit, mostly 4 or 5 conductor cables with a colorcode...

(all the pu's I mentioned are available as four conductors)


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post Jul 22 2009, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jul 22 2009, 07:07 PM) *
Pafs are not really low output...

When I speak about low output I mean pickups with less than 10k resistance like for example SD Alnico II pickups, real vintage style pus. Most Paf pickups like the Paf PRo or the Sh-5 are vintage pafs on steroids with medium output. From 10k to 17k pickups are medium output and everything with 17k and more is commonly considered High Output (although DC resistance isn't the only criteria)


The PAF pro and the PAF 36th anniversary are both below 10K though (8.6 and 8.4).
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As I said, DV resistance is only one thing that determines the output of a pickups... there can be pickups with more than 20k in resistance but their output might be lower than any vintage pickup.

If you would have the paf36th(vintage style) right next to a guitar with a PAF Pro you would really hear the diffrence even though the DC resistance is almost the same, the Paf Pro would be hotter. Just take a look at the DiMarzio page, the Pafpro is listed under medium while the 36th is listed under Low output.



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post Jul 22 2009, 07:47 PM
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Ok, this might be a stupid question, but what is "PAF"?
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One of the first Gibson Humbuckers ever (Les Paul model) was kind of a blueprint for rock/blues humbuckers. The humbucker didn't really have a name it was just the Gibson Les Paul Humbucker but it had a little sticker on the back saying P.A.F (patend applied for)^^

So basicly that sticker just said that this humbucker is copyright protected but it also became it's name^^

Paf pickups are generally humbuckers that resemble the tone and winding of that legendary pickup, they appear in very diffrent output levels but they generally stand for that Led Zepplin like rock tone...


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post Jul 23 2009, 10:44 AM
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So is there any reason not to put a Dimarzio PAF Pro in the bridge, and a SD Jazz in the neck, or should mixing pickups be avoided?
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Sorry for bumping like this,
you might as well write an email to Stan Hinesley,
tell him what guitar (wood) do you have
and what kind of tone you would like,
Stan can even wound custom ones for you.

I have his pickups on my custom
(have them on Axis as well but I don't play Axis that much)
and I'm more than satisfied,
hot, high output, great dynamic range etc. smile.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 01:31 PM
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I forgot about Stan Hinesley. I'll give him an email and see what I can find about his pickups. smile.gif

Also from what I've heard of them Stan's pickups sound sort of soft, and don't have a hard edge. This does sound good in its own way but it's not really my thing. Is this just peoples amp setting or do they actually sound like that?
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 23 2009, 02:31 PM) *
I forgot about Stan Hinesley. I'll give him an email and see what I can find about his pickups. smile.gif

Also from what I've heard of them Stan's pickups sound sort of soft, and don't have a hard edge. This does sound good in its own way but it's not really my thing. Is this just peoples amp setting or do they actually sound like that?


Hmm, not sure what do you mean by soft,
mine are surely NOT soft unless I play softly
which explains wide dynamic range.
And yeah, you can shape your tone A LOT nowdays using amp, EQs, compressor and other units.

Now, I'm not sure what have you heard
but if you would like to explain me what is "your thing"
then I might record something for you in that direction.
Hard edge, you mean less attack or? smile.gif


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