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post Jul 23 2009, 01:52 PM
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Well on all the sound clips on his website, and on your lessons, there is no edge to the tone. It sounds like there's a lot of mids and not much treble. This sounds good for leads but for rhythm it just doesn't have the edge I want. I know I can shape the sound with EQ, but I don't want to be fighting with my pickups to get good tone.

I'm not really sure myself what "my thing" is, but I'll and explain it. I want a bridge pickup that has plenty of mids, so it sort of screams, but not one with not much treble, like the Stan Hinesely ones sound to me. I think Dimarzio PAF pro is the best example of what I want in a bridge pickup. It's what I'm planning on getting atm. For neck I want a really round, fat tone. I can't really comment on this as nearly all Stan's humbuckers that aren't meant for bridge don't have sound clips.

Anyway I've emailed him so I'll see what he recommends. I'd rather support a smaller business like his more than a giant like Dimarzio or SD, so if you think I'm wrong about his pickups I'd like to hear it. smile.gif
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post Jul 23 2009, 01:57 PM
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I'll suggest, nailbomb bridge and Cold Sweat Neck from bareknucle, screaming fusion and metal bridge with fat and warm jazzy neck, that sings with high gain distortion too, I've also wired them with an on-off-on switch to split inner coils-humbuckers-outher coils, the single coil sounds are amazing

in this clip you can here all the sounds it can produce apart from bridge full humbacker

Attached File  Pop_Ballad_Demo___Joe_Kataldo.mp3 ( 1.23MB ) Number of downloads: 160


bridge humbacker splitted to single

Attached File  Drop_Rock_Collab.mp3 ( 358.04K ) Number of downloads: 149


for full humbacker check any of my lessons where I use the music man



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post Jul 23 2009, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (Joe Kataldo @ Jul 23 2009, 01:57 PM) *
I'll suggest, nailbomb bridge and Cold Sweat Neck from bareknucle


Can I just ask, are bareknuckle pickups meant to be metal pickups, or is it just the names that are metal. smile.gif

He recommended me Rogue in bridge, and scorpion or zen in the neck. I like the sound of his Rogue so I might get that but the scorpion and the zen both sound to smooth for what I want for the neck.
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post Jul 23 2009, 02:04 PM
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Here's the thing Matt,
no matter what gear you use you'll ALWAYS shape your tone
using EQs, some players like more midds for better cut through the mix
but those midds you hear are most likely not midds from pickups.
To get complete overwiev or comparation between pickups
you would have to use same guitar on same amp
with same EQ settings and then you could eventually
realize the difference or character of pickups.
Everything else that you hear on recordings are not pickup only,
there are too many factors that are dealing with the tone.

And is think of trebs by talking about hard edge
than I assure you, these pickups have tons of trebs,
it's just that I'm not huge fan of trebs all the time
and so I cut them a bit on EQ. smile.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:05 PM
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absolutely not, the names really saying not too much, check the clip and ask tim mills itself from bare knuckle, he will answer you in a couple of days, I'm adding more clips to that post


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Joe Kataldo @ Jul 23 2009, 01:57 PM) *
I'll suggest, nailbomb bridge and Cold Sweat Neck from bareknucle, screaming fusion and metal bridge with fat and warm jazzy neck, that sings with high gain distortion too, I've also wired them with an on-off-on switch to split inner coils-humbuckers-outher coils, the single coil sounds are amazing

in this clip you can here all the sounds it can produce apart from bridge full humbacker

Attached File  Pop_Ballad_Demo___Joe_Kataldo.mp3 ( 1.23MB ) Number of downloads: 160


Do you have those pickups in your signature mayones guitar?
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post Jul 23 2009, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 23 2009, 02:52 PM) *
Well on all the sound clips on his website, and on your lessons, there is no edge to the tone. It sounds like there's a lot of mids and not much treble. This sounds good for leads but for rhythm it just doesn't have the edge I want. I know I can shape the sound with EQ, but I don't want to be fighting with my pickups to get good tone.

I'm not really sure myself what "my thing" is, but I'll and explain it. I want a bridge pickup that has plenty of mids, so it sort of screams, but not one with not much treble, like the Stan Hinesely ones sound to me. I think Dimarzio PAF pro is the best example of what I want in a bridge pickup. It's what I'm planning on getting atm. For neck I want a really round, fat tone. I can't really comment on this as nearly all Stan's humbuckers that aren't meant for bridge don't have sound clips.

Anyway I've emailed him so I'll see what he recommends. I'd rather support a smaller business like his more than a giant like Dimarzio or SD, so if you think I'm wrong about his pickups I'd like to hear it. smile.gif



As for your question if mixing pickups from diffrent makers is to avoid: Certainly not!

You can mix brands if you want to, it can give you a great range of tones. One thing you have to look out for is pickup matching because the neck position is louder than the bridge: Your bridge pickup must have a higher output than the neck or otherwise you will have a big diffrence in volume between your two pickups. This is something that SD is not doing very good (the sh-1 and sh-2 neck pickups have a very low output but they are often combined with higher output pickups like the sh-6, resulting in a loudness diffrence between both pickups)

As for Stan Hinsley pickups, I am sure they have plenty of edge and attack in their sound it's just Muris smooth playing and maybe his recording device giving you a false impression, after all they are custom pickups like the bareknuckles...

Now that you described the tone that you want a bit better I might suggest you a Bareknuckle Nailbomb bridge and cold sweat Neck pickup, The nailbomb is as hot as a JB but with a lot of mids, great for everything from metal to blues with a great lead tone, and the Cold sweat neck pickup matches output-wise and gives you a very thick and warm neck tone (great cleans aswell). I have that set aswell and I love it!


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I can't really afford bareknuckles at the moment, but I'll keep them in mind if I upgrade my pickups in the future. smile.gif
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post Jul 23 2009, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 23 2009, 03:06 PM) *
Do you have those pickups in your signature mayones guitar?



In my mayones I've black dog bridge (like a gibson paf but hotter) and the mule neck (original gibson PAF)


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:13 PM
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Ok, I've narrowed my choice down. What combination do you think is best out of these?

Bridge: Dimarzio PAF Pro
Neck: Seymour Duncan Jazz

Bridge: Stan Hinesley Rogue
Neck: Seymour Duncan Jazz

Bridge: Stan Hinesely Rogue
Neck: Dimarzio Breed Neck

(considering they are £60 more expensive)
Bridge: Bareknuckle Nailbomb
Neck: Bareknuckle Cold Sweat

Or can you think of a a better combination of the pickups above.

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post Jul 23 2009, 03:17 PM
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Paf Pro and Jazz might work but I think a Paf Pro set would sound better matching

Rogue and Jazz will work

Rogue and Breed won't work at all, the breed has WAY to much output so it would be a lot louder than the rogue

Nailbomb and Coldsweat work really well although they are from diffrent sets (Tim at BKP will wind them to match each other)


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jul 23 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Rogue and Breed won't work at all, the breed has WAY to much output so it would be a lot louder than the rogue


Would Dimarzio Air Norton work?
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 23 2009, 04:54 PM) *
Would Dimarzio Air Norton work?


I guess although I think it would be better to ask Stan for a neck pickups with more edge (because you said the ones he mentioned were too smooth). Mixing and matching pickups from diffrent brands that you never heard and played yourself might result in in a horrible sounding combination...


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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jul 23 2009, 03:59 PM) *
I guess although I think it would be better to ask Stan for a neck pickups with more edge (because you said the ones he mentioned were too smooth). Mixing and matching pickups from diffrent brands that you never heard and played yourself might result in in a horrible sounding combination...


I think Stan's pickups are great for lead, but they don't sound good for rhythm imo. And after reading a few reviews i think I'm not the only one.

Muris if you see this would you be able to do me a favour? Could you record a sound clip of some heavy riffing with your rogue humbucker, but with quite a high bass and scooped mids, and enough treble to give the sound some edge?

Btw thanks for all your help guys, it's been very useful. smile.gif
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Jul 23 2009, 05:07 PM) *
I think Stan's pickups are great for lead, but they don't sound good for rhythm imo. And after reading a few reviews i think I'm not the only one.


Matt that's nonsense I'm afraid,
I do A LOT of pro work with my guitar, recording session, gigs etc
and I can get almost any type of sound that I want,
rhythm sounds included of course.
Bare in mind, it's not just pickups that gives you the tone,
your hands have a great role as well,
the way you pick, the way you fret etc.

Now, I would like to see those reviews,
must be some uber experienced players who wrote them, no offense. smile.gif


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If you say it is good for heavy rhythm playing, then I'll believe you.

And if you want to know the reviews were form harmony central and they say. "Not well-suited for thick, chunky rhythm/chording, it's still good, but the somewhat subdued bass compliments melody rather than rhythm"
"Still not going to get a heavy bass response for "supreme" chording/rhythms"

Actually now I look that was just one review, and the rest say it's great so I think I'll get that for the bridge. If it doesn't do riffing well I've still got my Ibanez.

For the neck I'm not sure.
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Everybody has a diffrent opinion on a good rythm sound, some like it ultra thight and responsive, others like it clear and defined and some others might want a smoother sound...

After all the pickups are just a small part of your sound, guitarconstruction, woods, your amp and finally your own playing make the biggest part of your sound. A great player can get a better sound out of crappy equipment than a beginner with pro equip!


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Matt, guitar is complex instrument
and lead playing shouldn't be much separated
from rhythm playing.
With more experience you'll learn how to handle
both using the same sound when needed.
My point is, would be wrong to expect from pickups
to fix all eventual sound issues that you might have atm,
pickups ARE important but player is even more important.
One other thing, your taste for sound could change as the time goes,
actually it happens to many guys all the time.
And with fine pickups (wide sound range of transmitting and wide dynamics)
you should be able to dial your tone without too many problems.
But those midds, trebbs, attack etc are not determined by pickups only, remember that. smile.gif


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Yeh, I'm going to go for the Rogue. I'm not sure about the neck but atm I'm leaning towards the scorpion. I was thinking about getting a different brand of pickups but then I remembered that the parker can combine the neck and bridge pickups so two completely different sounding pickups probably wouldn't sound too good.
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well said muris...

as for mixing pick ups...you dont need to match outputs at all..


in my guitars, i like a somewhat hot bridge for higher gain playing,

and a really low output neck for the jazz band im in and other clean sounding adventures.

the way i compensate for the volumes is pick up height. you can adjust and lower the pick up height to match volumes. There still might be a little difference yes, but not enough to make a huge obvious difference


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