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post Jul 23 2009, 04:57 AM
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Hi i find out after long time why i sound so bad somethime...specialy when i was training speed picking long time ago{now i injured so i avoiding to mutch speed} but i would like to start again

my ring finger is weak..i don't know if you guys have same same problem becouse for example my girlfriend has a same problem...????

for example i starting do a lot exersizes from youtube becouse i got numles on my hands and i find out this
when i put my hands on the table and trying to lift up each finger then i see this-->>>> all fingers go nice and easy up for example i can lift them up 5 cm from the table but the ring finger don't wana go from table more like 1 cm rolleyes.gif

i do for example this exersizes which is good and i recmomdet that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBJrTsNZVaw
i also find when i try to do speedpicking on low E string--like 12-14-15 fret then the ring finger don't wana go easy form the fret easy so i sound weird somethime also whe i presing for example 3 fret with midlle finger and then i have to reach with ring 5 fret i have pproblem stretch the finger more like others

actualy trying to exersizes this bad boy nad i improving but werry slowly...do anybody from you have same bad problem before..like i wrote My gorlfriend don't play a guitar but she's also find out when i tell her do the yourube test same problem with her ring finger

looks like there is probably weak muscle or tendos


Rene


btw--good thing is i was find this thing and i can work on that cool.gif

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post Jul 23 2009, 08:06 AM
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i had the same complaint, and you can try and train the finger and make it easier, but the ring finger is wired diferently than other fingers. it has less freedom of movement, but it souldn't be weaker as in strengh just in agility


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post Jul 23 2009, 10:09 AM
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I dont feel like any of my fingers are weaker then the others.....


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post Jul 23 2009, 01:47 PM
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It's probably about agility and not the strength, yeah.
You should train it by playing more legato exercises
using both ring finger AND pinky,
ring finger is kind a attached to pinky and it needs
extra time to gain more "independency". smile.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:01 PM
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I tried the same table-finger-lifting thing, and I guess I have the same issue, although it lifts up more than a centimetre... smile.gif Just follow Muris' advice, you just need to train your fingers, and everything should be fine ! smile.gif

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post Jul 23 2009, 02:10 PM
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Each finger is differently designed, ring finger is special since that finger is not agile like other, and you should not worry about it and try to make it similar to other. You can, of course, improve the agility, and the exercise that you mentined to raise each finger from table i very useful and I do it as well. But the best would be to learn to use each fingers' advantage to suit the purpose smile.gif

To prove you that the ring finger is differently designed try the following, put your hands in the following position:



and then try to separate each finger while the middle stays in place, can you separate the ring fingers? smile.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 06:50 PM
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I think that ring finger is generally weaker then pinky, try to practice some simple legato exercises, try not to involve pinky, just combine first, second, middle finger with ring finger. Like 1-2-1-2, or 1-3-1-3.....


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post Jul 24 2009, 01:14 AM
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thnaks all for reply

looks like thas normal and i be ok with training independence od that bad boy cool.gif

QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Jul 23 2009, 09:10 AM) *
Each finger is differently designed, ring finger is special since that finger is not agile like other, and you should not worry about it and try to make it similar to other. You can, of course, improve the agility, and the exercise that you mentined to raise each finger from table i very useful and I do it as well. But the best would be to learn to use each fingers' advantage to suit the purpose smile.gif

To prove you that the ring finger is differently designed try the following, put your hands in the following position:



and then try to separate each finger while the middle stays in place, can you separate the ring fingers? smile.gif




no i can't btw-can u??? separate the Fing cool.gif

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post Jul 24 2009, 09:43 AM
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That's just human anatomy. I used to practise lifting my ring finger while I was playing piano, that was quite important. But when you are playing guitar, I think that's not important at all, you just have to develop finger independence, don't bother with lifting....


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post Jul 24 2009, 12:22 PM
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I writed these kind of stuff when i got bored the 'devils finger' as Paganini call it. Lock the ring finger some position and play all sides of it. Try to keep the ring finger relaxed as possible. To develope independency of you fingers you can check also Steve Morse's stuff. I have all kind of lessons for fingers but they are in my head:)

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E||-----------------------||---------------------------|
B||-----------------------||---------------------------|
G||------------------(8)--||*--L--L--L--L--L--L--L--L--|
D||-----------------------||*--------------5-----------|
A||-----------------------||---7--6--7--9-----7--9--6--|
E||-----------------------||---------------------------|


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I don't know if this one has any sense but try this kind off stuff. To me they had helped both strength an independency. And my opinion is that the exercises is best to do with guitar by playing it.

I know why the ring finger is weaker then then the others but i can't explain it in English. But check this: http://books.google.fi/books?id=96jG5n-vmP...lt&resnum=1

OK?

Hei, and these kind of also:

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Play till your hand is numb and rest and then play till your hand is numb and rest and then...
Ups, i forgot the dominant from the last one:)...drool

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post Jul 24 2009, 01:07 PM
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I think speed is much more about coordination than strength. Actually I am trying to be more soft on the guitar to increase my speed. I kind of fret too hard, maybe because I come from being an acoustic guitar player.
I discovered that using too much strength on fretting was one of the reasons I was so noisy when trying to play fast!!!

Actually, about strength, the ring finger is the one I found most strong for bending strings. (and I broke mine a couple of years ago... So your injuries should be no problem with proper rest/ recuperation. wink.gif )

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nice exercise Oikonen. This is like advanced stuff...


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QUOTE (oikonen @ Jul 24 2009, 07:22 AM) *
I writed these kind of stuff when i got bored the 'devils finger' as Paganini call it. Lock the ring finger some position and play all sides of it. Try to keep the ring finger relaxed as possible. To develope independency of you fingers you can check also Steve Morse's stuff. I have all kind of lessons for fingers but they are in my head:)

Make your own etudes this way and a vot!(?)

[Ups, i forgot the dominant from the last one:)...drool



do u got video somewhere how you play this paganiny exeriszes??? i'm not 100% sure how to play this

shame on me rolleyes.gif Lot of time the L note{death i belive made me trouble you say i have to play everything by slide} so i not sure where u mean a i have to lock my ring and where go the rest ohmy.gif

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QUOTE (besip @ Jul 25 2009, 07:44 AM) *
do u got video somewhere how you play this paganiny exeriszes??? i'm not 100% sure how to play this

shame on me rolleyes.gif Lot of time the L note{death i belive made me trouble you say i have to play everything by slide} so i not sure where u mean a i have to lock my ring and where go the rest ohmy.gif


Heh, Paganini never 'practice' as he claimed when asked at competition in Germany (this is OlliEnglish). It's Em harm but pick what ever you want, try Phrygian - that's really fun when you have to shift your ring finger when in 5 and 6, that i call exercice...
The 'L' means legato but in here it doesn't, it means that you keep your ring finger in that position (well as a matter in fact - it is legato but i did'nt wrote the last note:)... I don't use tablatures very often so i did it in this way. You can also copy the example and import to it in ASCII to gp5, i have to bought that one as well (i use Sibelius mainly but now i start to use GP).

I try to do some video but my computer is so sloowww (1.7G) and i haven't used the cheap (10€) webcam that i bought a while ago but i try.
Here is the how to play, i realize that i have practice myself too.."little" rusty.

Sorry about the bad video and bad playing but i just woke up... After i 'm fully awake i do better video, have do little research how to achieve better pic quality and sound.

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post Jul 25 2009, 01:09 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/Gripmaster-Exerciser...3481&sr=8-1

I made good experiences with that finger trainer. It has really strengthened my pinky. Of course you should prefer training your fingers with exercises on your guitar because it is not only a lack of strength in your fingers that you can't play precisely and fast enough as you liked (Just as Muris said). But I use this little helper whenever my guitar is out of reach when studying or reading books etc...and it really helped me so far. But you should defintely also check out Daniel's Series of great finger exercises for finger-dexterity and independence etc..

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QUOTE (Nighthawk1 @ Jul 25 2009, 03:09 PM) *
I made good experiences with that finger trainer.


Does this work? It surely doesn't look like guitar fretboard to me. What if i play pick board with my right hand and Gripmaster with my left hand? Do i become new Django? Sorry thas was purely joke because i couldn't resist...Don't get mad.


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It surely doesn't substitute the fretboard that s why I mentioned to practice on your guitar whenever you can...However it helped me personally especially because it is pretty handy to use it whenever and whereever. Lack of speed is mainly lack of finger syncronisation rather than finger strength but despite of that - finger strength is still a factor of solid picking (and fretting) but not a very strong one

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QUOTE (Nighthawk1 @ Jul 25 2009, 03:24 PM) *
It surely doesn't substitute the fretboard ...

Jep, you're right. I looked that thing little closer, not just peek and i think that it really can help for lack of power. You can use it situations when you're in restroom doing what ever you are doing or bus, metro etc. I may try it myself. But does it take away the sensitiveness from your playing? That's big question to me.

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QUOTE (oikonen @ Jul 25 2009, 02:31 PM) *
Jep, you're right. I looked that thing little closer, not just peek and i think that it really can help for lack of power. You can use it situations when you're in restroom doing what ever you are doing or bus, metro etc. I may try it myself. But does it take away the sensitiveness from your playing? That's big question to me.

If you don't use it exceptionlessly to train you finger it helps more rather than taking away the sensitiveness preconditioned you practice enough on your fingerboard to achieve that sensitiveness as well...
imo of course

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QUOTE (Nighthawk1 @ Jul 25 2009, 03:56 PM) *
If you don't use it exceptionlessly to train ...


But lets wait and see what Besip have to say about our shamanism, OK? At least he's the thread owner:)

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