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Bear Rose
post Jul 29 2009, 07:43 PM
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Hey everybody,

The drummer at my church is probably going to be moving away soon and we'll most likely be without a drummer. I was wondering if anyone knows if its possible to use something like Addictive Drums in place of a live drummer?

I've been searching for info on this but can't find any real specifics. Any help would be really great.

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Bogdan Radovic
post Jul 29 2009, 08:06 PM
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Hello,

Yes, you can do drum backing tracks using Addictive Drums for songs you play. You should be able to make a midi drum track in recording software (for example Reaper) and then assign the midi track to be played by Addictive Drums. You need to type in all the drum notes (strokes) for the song you want to play. Then you render the track and burn to an AUDIO CD and play it back in the church over PA system. Now the problem is that the band need to be tight in order to follow that drum track, because that track is not played by drummer - it will perfectly keep the rhythm and go how you made it. Band will need to practice their time keeping skills in order to play nice against a backing.

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post Jul 29 2009, 08:14 PM
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It's strange but it is possible. I think that the best way would be to create a stereo wav file (doing a mixdown of the midi track assigned to the "Addictive Drums") with the drum track and then play it in Nuendo or any similar multitrack. You'll need a computer and a soundboard with at least 3 mono outs.
1. Drums Left Channel (conected to the P.A.)
2. Drums Right channel (conected to the P.A.)
3. Metronome (for musician's "in ears")





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post Jul 29 2009, 08:30 PM
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Maybe they can pass without metronome in ears (that kind of backings acts pretty much the same as metronome), but they will have to have a good drums monitoring (to hear drum track well) in order to follow it. You can make an experiment with a band to see if you guys can pull it off. Many bands play with samples/backings so its not impossible thing to do.


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post Jul 29 2009, 08:44 PM
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The only problem with this is that we improvise very often and our band leader rarely ever plays a song the same way twice.

Is there a way that we could use some type of software to control certain drum loops via midi controller possibly? Or maybe just with the computer itself?


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post Jul 30 2009, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (machogriz @ Jul 29 2009, 09:44 PM) *
The only problem with this is that we improvise very often and our band leader rarely ever plays a song the same way twice.

Is there a way that we could use some type of software to control certain drum loops via midi controller possibly? Or maybe just with the computer itself?


Well improvising could be a problem,
if you add few extra bars when playing
you might end up without drums!
But you can play drum loop in "real loop",
either in player like WMP or in Reaper.
It all very much depends of the songs as well,
if you have certain drum fills at certain spots in your song
than it would be pretty tough to switch between those loops and fills.
And that situation leads me to another option,
an arranger keyboard( like Korg PA 800 per example).
You play the drum groove on a keyboard
and there are few buttons for different fills, intro, ending etc.
Once again, it depends a lot of your songs. smile.gif


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post Jul 30 2009, 01:24 AM
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Hmm that would be hard indeed, but possibly with some advanced drum module/machine. I'm not sure about MIDI controlling sounds pricey to me...


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post Jul 30 2009, 02:13 AM
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Image Line's FL Studio has a "Live Mode" that can be done this way from a regular computer keyboard or midi controller. Program in whichever patterns you want and let it go in a specific order OR change patterns with a single keypress as you go.

However, this "never the same way twice" kinda suggests you're always going to need someone on duty to press that key, or to actually play the drums, et cetera.

I'd suggest making the bandleader accountable for actually counting or following some kind of plan, even if he is right-brained and creative.


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post Jul 30 2009, 04:07 AM
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post Jul 30 2009, 11:19 AM
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I guess this could be done but I don't think its that practical if you do so much improvisation. You should better get a real drummer then...


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post Jul 30 2009, 11:45 AM
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I think it's doable with a MIDI footswitch, one pedal each for intro, verse, chorus, end and fills. And a drum machine or computer programmed with a suitable rhythm per song.

Though I think it's tideous work to set it up and bound to fail since stomping the wrong pedal will throw things up side down.
I'd definitly assign the task to the one who wants to improvise a lot wink.gif

Easier would be to program each song strictly with no room for improvisation or just find a new drummer.


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post Jul 30 2009, 12:01 PM
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Personally I think you may be better looking at Ableton Live! plus a dedicated controller (Akai APC40 for instance) if you are set on not using a real drummer.


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Thanks for all the input and suggestions! This has really given me much to think about. I was hoping to be the one to be able to control the drums if that were possible, but it really sounds like we'll need a dedicated person to control the drums if we were going down this route.

The bandleader, and keyboardist, in the past has normally used the drum sequences in his keyboard, similar to what Muris suggested. The problem with that, is that they seemed not loud enough, and also he was getting tired of having to hit all those extra buttons while playing. But it seems like that would probably still be the best solution while we are without a drummer. Either that or we have to program the drums and stick to a set song pattern.


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post Jul 30 2009, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (machogriz @ Jul 30 2009, 03:14 PM) *
Thanks for all the input and suggestions! This has really given me much to think about. I was hoping to be the one to be able to control the drums if that were possible, but it really sounds like we'll need a dedicated person to control the drums if we were going down this route.

The bandleader, and keyboardist, in the past has normally used the drum sequences in his keyboard, similar to what Muris suggested. The problem with that, is that they seemed not loud enough, and also he was getting tired of having to hit all those extra buttons while playing. But it seems like that would probably still be the best solution while we are without a drummer. Either that or we have to program the drums and stick to a set song pattern.


Yeah drum backing on keyboards sounds like the most doable solution to the problem! You should look in that direction... smile.gif


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