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Muris Varajic
post Aug 6 2009, 10:42 PM
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Hello guys!!

So, I'm getting a fretless guitar soon.
Actually I'm not gonna buy any
but Mirza (MK Guitars) is going to build me one. smile.gif
And ofc my main concern here is sustain.
Vigier guitar company uses Delta Metal technique for fretboards but I really don't like the way it looks,
I would rather go for something else, rosewood or ebony, dunno.
Does anyone has some extra experience with fretless guitars
and what wood combos would work nicely sustain wise?

There is one more thing as well,
I'll have a piezo in bridge, Fishman or Shadow maybe (any suggestions here?)
along with 2 Stan Hinesley's humbuckers.
And so there is another issue, I need a guitar with fine resonance
to work with piezo AND to have nice sustain.

Hit me with your thoughts please!! smile.gif



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post Aug 6 2009, 10:45 PM
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dont have much for a helpful answer...

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post Aug 6 2009, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 6 2009, 11:42 PM) *
Hello guys!!

So, I'm getting a fretless guitar soon.
Actually I'm not gonna buy any
but Mirza (MK Guitars) is going to build me one. smile.gif
And ofc my main concern here is sustain.
Vigier guitar company uses Delta Metal technique for fretboards but I really don't like the way it looks,
I would rather go for something else, rosewood or ebony, dunno.
Does anyone has some extra experience with fretless guitars
and what wood combos would work nicely sustain wise?

There is one more thing as well,
I'll have a piezo in bridge, Fishman or Shadow maybe (any suggestions here?)
along with 2 Stan Hinesley's humbuckers.
And so there is another issue, I need a guitar with fine resonance
to work with piezo AND to have nice sustain.

Hit me with your thoughts please!! smile.gif

I've tried one fretless guitar, and I never thought it had less sustain really..
I just found it strange to play biggrin.gif

But I'd go for Ebony or Brazilian Rosewood, as those are the best fretboards imo smile.gif

Looking forward to see it and hear some recordings with the fretless wonder though!
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post Aug 6 2009, 10:53 PM
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Hi.For the first issue I don´t know this matter of fretless guitar, but look forward when you get it, sure you´re be able to do amazing things with it.
For the second I have a Ibanez Prestige RG1820X-GK (the guitar that appears in my lesson) and I´m very happy with the sustain (I changed the pick ups, and now sounds really good for me) The guitar has a piezo and I think also has a cool sound


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post Aug 6 2009, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Aug 6 2009, 11:49 PM) *
I've tried one fretless guitar, and I never thought it had less sustain really..
I just found it strange to play biggrin.gif

But I'd go for Ebony or Brazilian Rosewood, as those are the best fretboards imo smile.gif

Looking forward to see it and hear some recordings with the fretless wonder though!


Sustain has a lot do to with frets!
Perhaps you played it with OD or dist so you couldn't notice nicely.
Was is metal fretboard or wood fretboard btw? smile.gif

QUOTE (Sergio Dorado @ Aug 6 2009, 11:53 PM) *
Hi.For the first issue I don´t know this matter of fretless guitar, but look forward when you get it, sure you´re be able to do amazing things with it.
For the second I have a Ibanez Prestige RG1820X-GK (the guitar that appears in my lesson) and I´m very happy with the sustain (I changed the pick ups, and now sounds really good for me) The guitar has a piezo and I think also has a cool sound


Wow, thanks for mentioning your Ibanez Sergio,
it has LR Baggs piezo, I totally forgot about those! smile.gif


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post Aug 6 2009, 11:09 PM
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For the first this may help Muris smile.gif .

For the second - perhaps a chambered semi-solid design?


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post Aug 6 2009, 11:13 PM
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Never played one Muris and this is out of pure speculation but I would think that Ebony would be the way to go as it's a harder wood. I would also consider the strings and how they will ware on the wood, flat wound's maybe? Have you thought about glass?


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post Aug 6 2009, 11:21 PM
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The one I played had a wooden fretboard I believe smile.gif
But it's a while ago, so I won't bet my life on it biggrin.gif
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post Aug 6 2009, 11:21 PM
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By the way, do you know any videos/ recordings that you can recommend us for listen guitar players with this fretless guitar (apart of you biggrin.gif )


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post Aug 6 2009, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Sergio Dorado @ Aug 6 2009, 10:21 PM) *
By the way, do you know any videos/ recordings that you can recommend us for listen guitar players with this fretless guitar (apart of you biggrin.gif )


A few for you Sergio:

The Police - Driven to tears
RHCP - Mellowship Slinky
Zappa - Torture never stops
John McLaughlin - Mother nature
Pat Metheny - Counting Texas


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post Aug 7 2009, 12:15 AM
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I vote graphite Muris.... smile.gif

Cocobolo would be very nice as well....... smile.gif
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post Aug 7 2009, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Aug 7 2009, 12:09 AM) *
For the first this may help Muris smile.gif .

For the second - perhaps a chambered semi-solid design?


Good old Tony, thanks!!!!!!! smile.gif

QUOTE (skennington @ Aug 7 2009, 12:13 AM) *
Never played one Muris and this is out of pure speculation but I would think that Ebony would be the way to go as it's a harder wood. I would also consider the strings and how they will ware on the wood, flat wound's maybe? Have you thought about glass?


Glass seems interesting but I have glasses already!! laugh.gif

Joking, worth considering! smile.gif

QUOTE (Sergio Dorado @ Aug 7 2009, 12:21 AM) *
By the way, do you know any videos/ recordings that you can recommend us for listen guitar players with this fretless guitar (apart of you biggrin.gif )


Tony gave you few but I actually want do play some Oud stuff. smile.gif

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Aug 7 2009, 01:15 AM) *
I vote graphite Muris.... smile.gif

Cocobolo would be very nice as well....... smile.gif


Nice thinking Monte, putting it on the list, thanks! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Aug 6 2009, 11:27 PM) *
Tony gave you few but I actually want do play some Oud stuff. smile.gif


This may be worth looking at then for a few ideas for you and Mirza Muris smile.gif


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Cedar and Maple body, Ebony fingerboard, yeah. smile.gif


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post Aug 7 2009, 10:55 AM
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The fingerboard on Steve Vais' Fretless on his Tripleneck is Rosewood and he seems happy enough with it!!!
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PS. For some awesome Oud playing check out a band called Speed Caravan!! I saw them last year and was absolutely blown away by them!!!!!!
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Hey Muris, you know I have one too biggrin.gif


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I'd advice you guys to have a look on violin constuction and philisophy, they are fretless and have been for several centuries. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Aug 7 2009, 11:55 AM) *
The fingerboard on Steve Vais' Fretless on his Tripleneck is Rosewood and he seems happy enough with it!!!
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

PS. For some awesome Oud playing check out a band called Speed Caravan!! I saw them last year and was absolutely blown away by them!!!!!!
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Will do, thanks Jones. smile.gif

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Hey Muris, you know I have one too biggrin.gif


So, would you tell me something? biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Oxac @ Aug 7 2009, 03:06 PM) *
I'd advice you guys to have a look on violin constuction and philisophy, they are fretless and have been for several centuries. wink.gif


Violin has no sustain at all,
they use bow instead to make longer notes.
What I need is "best" possible combination of woods
for neck and body sustain wise. smile.gif


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I have an 1986 Vigier arpege, and its neck is hardened with some resine (I think it is called evanol) plus the nack of the neck is carbon fibre, gets a lot of sustain but sounds weird, like the fretboard it self has its own resonance). The key is hardness, the hard the material the more sustain you will get.


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QUOTE (Gerardo Siere @ Aug 7 2009, 04:39 PM) *
I have an 1986 Vigier arpege, and its neck is hardened with some resine (I think it is called evanol) plus the nack of the neck is carbon fibre, gets a lot of sustain but sounds weird, like the fretboard it self has its own resonance). The key is hardness, the hard the material the more sustain you will get.


Indeed, that's why I thought of Ebony.
What about the body? smile.gif


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