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post Aug 12 2009, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE (twist @ Aug 12 2009, 11:30 PM) *
Thanks for the comment! The fast part doesnt seem fitting to me too, i am working on that. But i am not totaly aware of what you mean with "diminished part" not in scale. Maybe its because i played the parts that are meant for the first half also over the second half... For the end result, there will be something different there. And the note before the first beat is already gone wink.gif

Diminished part I meant over Dim7 chord smile.gif Be careful which notes you're playing over that chord. For example there is Fdim7 and you can play these notes: F, G#, B, D. Every Dim7 chord or Dim7 arpeggio has only 4 notes.


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post Aug 13 2009, 06:33 AM
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I see I'm pretty late on this and there are a LOT of participants. Mind if I join in?
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post Aug 13 2009, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE (TheKeplerConjecture @ Aug 13 2009, 06:33 AM) *
I see I'm pretty late on this and there are a LOT of participants. Mind if I join in?

Yes you can of course. I never had limit in my collabs. Thanks for joining smile.gif


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post Aug 13 2009, 12:38 PM
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post Aug 13 2009, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ Aug 13 2009, 12:44 PM) *
Hi Emir!

I would also like to join!

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QUOTE (superize @ Aug 13 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Here is a little prewiev on my work in progess

Your ideas are cool and rhytmical structures are nice. There are some wrong notes there. 7th bar last note should be G# 6th fret. That's the maj3rd from E/G# chord. You wrote 5th fret which is not in the scale. Next - 9th bar 2nd note should be 13th fret not 12th. There you have F# major chord and 12th fret is minor 3rd interval which is wrong. You started with F# arpeggio and moved to diminished one which is nice. Also the last note in that bar should be 18th fret, not 17th like you wrote. That's again minor3rd from F# instead of major3rd. Remember we're still in the F# chord until the first beat of the next bar where we move back to Bm. Then bar 15th you wrote A note (14th fret 3rd string) and the chord is E/G#. That A note is the 4th interval from E chord but the resolution on the 4th is not really a great resolution. The same is with the very last note (14th fret 1st string). That's F# note over A chord - 6th interval, also not really neoclassical resolution. Try to resolve either on the root, 3rd or 5th. Your notes are in the scale but that's more jazz approach for resolution. The rest is all good. I like it smile.gif


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post Aug 13 2009, 03:16 PM
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Thanks for correcting my mistakes Emir

Now i have a problem with the Fdim7
Fsus4 and F# part

I want to play som sweeps over theese chord but i dont really know how they work and what notes to use(Thoery noob)

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QUOTE (superize @ Aug 13 2009, 03:16 PM) *
Thanks for correcting my mistakes Emir

Now i have a problem with the Fdim7
Fsus4 and F# part

I want to play som sweeps over theese chord but i dont really know how they work and what notes to use(Thoery noob)

Can you help me

Dim 7 chord is just 4 notes. That's also dim7 arpeggio. For example Fdim7 - take F note then the next minor 3rd from there is G#, another minor 3rd which is B and another one from there is D. So in that chord/arpeggio you have F, G#, B and D. The same is for any other dim7. Just take the first note and count minor 3rds 3 more times from there.

F#sus4 and F# you can play the same thing. Either F#7 arpeggio (F#, A#, C#, E) or F# Phrygian Dominant. That's your V chord and will resolve on Bm which is the chord I in this case.

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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 13 2009, 04:33 PM) *
Dim 7 chord is just 4 notes. That's also dim7 arpeggio. For example Fdim7 - take F note then the next minor 3rd from there is G#, another minor 3rd which is B and another one from there is D. So in that chord/arpeggio you have F, G#, B and D. The same is for any other dim7. Just take the first note and count minor 3rds 3 more times from there.

F#sus4 and F# you can play the same thing. Either F#7 arpeggio (F#, A#, C#, E) or F# Phrygian Dominant. That's your V chord and will resolve on Bm which is the chord I in this case.

I hope this is not difficult smile.gif


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 13 2009, 03:33 PM) *
Dim 7 chord is just 4 notes. That's also dim7 arpeggio. For example Fdim7 - take F note then the next minor 3rd from there is G#, another minor 3rd which is B and another one from there is D. So in that chord/arpeggio you have F, G#, B and D. The same is for any other dim7. Just take the first note and count minor 3rds 3 more times from there.

F#sus4 and F# you can play the same thing. Either F#7 arpeggio (F#, A#, C#, E) or F# Phrygian Dominant. That's your V chord and will resolve on Bm which is the chord I in this case.

I hope this is not difficult smile.gif

Thanks for this little explanation Emir, I was having trouble with this part also!!!
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Aug 13 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Thanks for this little explanation Emir, I was having trouble with this part also!!!
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No problem. Guys ask just anything you want to know. If we fix it on time this collab might sound great in the end. Pick all these advices and feel free to ask anything.


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post Aug 13 2009, 09:18 PM
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Emir, didn't have time to correct the take, I did bought the strings but didn't have time, I'll be back on 26th August to pick up my things, if I have time to record than (1 day after the deadline), than I will, if not, just use the one I made smile.gif


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Sign me in Emir plz smile.gif This is my first collab here in GMC. I will be posting tabs soon so you can check if they fit in the backing I'll try my best to make it right but theory is not my best skill biggrin.gif BTW you said that vibrato should be played in 8th notes feel but are there any other vibrato types (or whatever) which fit in neoclassical (my knowledge on this genre of music is still a bit low becouse I just found out about it biggrin.gif normally i liste to powermetal; Stratovarius and Manowar for example) I will be able to record it only after 19th of august but thats luckily no problem smile.gif


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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Aug 13 2009, 09:18 PM) *
Emir, didn't have time to correct the take, I did bought the strings but didn't have time, I'll be back on 26th August to pick up my things, if I have time to record than (1 day after the deadline), than I will, if not, just use the one I made smile.gif

Ok, If I see that the mix is almost done I will use the old take unless you send the new one.

QUOTE (MigeZ @ Aug 13 2009, 10:33 PM) *
Sign me in Emir plz smile.gif This is my first collab here in GMC. I will be posting tabs soon so you can check if they fit in the backing I'll try my best to make it right but theory is not my best skill biggrin.gif BTW you said that vibrato should be played in 8th notes feel but are there any other vibrato types (or whatever) which fit in neoclassical (my knowledge on this genre of music is still a bit low becouse I just found out about it biggrin.gif normally i liste to powermetal; Stratovarius and Manowar for example) I will be able to record it only after 19th of august but thats luckily no problem smile.gif

Thanks for joining. 8th notes feel for vibrato works in this song tempo. Of course there are different feels but for this one vibrating in 8th notes will fit the best. Stratovarius has so many neoclassical songs smile.gif Timo Tolki and Jens Johanson have always been into this style. Jens also played with Yngwie. I don't need your tabs unless you have some questions. If you know scales then just go for it. If you're not sure then post it and I will analyse it. We don't need many notes. Make slow and simple melodies, just make sure the notes are correct over each chord.


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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Aug 11 2009, 07:14 PM) *
I would do one if not full yet. biggrin.gif



QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 12 2009, 04:00 AM) *
You want to join the collab?


Well I did, but sorry of I was not clear about it unsure.gif. It was filling so fast I said "I would do one if not full" I figured it was to late, then.

Any now,,, , ,

Looks pretty full now for sure, so maybe not. sad.gif


EDIT, Please just make me # 25 cause this is one of the coolest backings I have ever heard, I have to do One.

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Hi Emir,

Here's a rough draft of mine. You mentioned that you don't mind providing some feedback on non-final takes. So I was wondering if you could give me some pointers on how to improve this. Hopefully I can take your advice into consideration for the final version.

It's sloppy, I'm trying to do some things that I'm not quite up to par on technically yet... but it's all stuff that I'm confident I'll be able to nail down before the deadline date.

I have a feeling the sound/tone is exactly what you're NOT looking for - please let me know if you think I should find something a bit cleaner. It's also not "mixed" at all - the level of my guitar vs. your backing will be improved in the final.

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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Aug 14 2009, 03:14 AM) *
Well I did, but sorry of I was not clear about it unsure.gif. It was filling so fast I said "I would do one if not full" I figured it was to late, then.

Any now,,, , ,

Looks pretty full now for sure, so maybe not. sad.gif


EDIT, Please just make me # 25 cause this is one of the coolest backings I have ever heard, I have to do One.

smile.gif You said "I would do one if not full yet.". That day I only had 10 people so it wasn't 100% clear to me. Of course you can join. I've never had limit of participants in my collabs. I'll sign you up smile.gif

QUOTE (JamesT @ Aug 14 2009, 05:34 AM) *
Sign me up Emir!
I'll give it my best. This one looks tough for sure.

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QUOTE (maharzan @ Aug 14 2009, 05:49 AM) *
I don't know much (anything) of neoclassical but would like to try.

Don't worry, this is easy. Read my intro text and follow this thread, there will be many helpful posts. Also feel free to ask anything. Thanks for joining smile.gif

QUOTE (TheKeplerConjecture @ Aug 14 2009, 05:58 AM) *
Hi Emir,

Here's a rough draft of mine. You mentioned that you don't mind providing some feedback on non-final takes. So I was wondering if you could give me some pointers on how to improve this. Hopefully I can take your advice into consideration for the final version.

It's sloppy, I'm trying to do some things that I'm not quite up to par on technically yet... but it's all stuff that I'm confident I'll be able to nail down before the deadline date.

I have a feeling the sound/tone is exactly what you're NOT looking for - please let me know if you think I should find something a bit cleaner. It's also not "mixed" at all - the level of my guitar vs. your backing will be improved in the final.

Thanks in advance!

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This take has a great starting point. There could be some polishing for sure. You're playing B harmonic minor a couple of times but that maj7 interval (Bb) is on a very dangerous place. Play natural minor instead. Use harmonic minor as a passing phrase if you like second time round. One diminished line wasn't 100% right note choice but the other one was great. I would suggest starting slowly and involving more techniques from half way. Don't throw any faster lines at the beginning. Your sound is very good. Just make sure when you export your lead track that you switch off all delays/reverbs. I need dry distortion for mixing. About the level of your guitar against backing is not important to me. That's my job in the end. I am only interested that you play your take the best you can. Good work


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Thanks for the comment Emir smile.gif True that Stratovarius has many neoclassical song didnt notice that but well now I listen to their songs and try to get some inspiration. You wont mind if I use the first 1 and half bars from your solo couse they are just awesome for beginning biggrin.gif Yea I will try to make it slow and melodic no faster runs than some 8th note tuplets.
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