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QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Aug 31 2009, 07:56 PM) *
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Really sorry man, I am fixing it right now. My computer crashed and I went back to the collab thread to pick up all the takes again. Somehow I missed yours.

Please guys let me know if anyone else is missing. It all went wrong when I reinstalled my system and lost all my collab work. I will fix it straight away if I messed up.


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post Aug 31 2009, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 30 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Gus (9:48 - 10:55)
Another stereo track smile.gif Just read jafomatic’s and bladzerok’s comments and I don’t need to repeat it. Nice playing Gus. Your rock feel is very good. There are things you could work on. The first thing is the control. On 10:04 there was that first dirty unarticulated noise which shouldn’t be heard in a studio recorded take. You have tools to mute it before exporting the track. I heard some other minor ones but they were on the edge of acceptable range smile.gif Vibrato was present most of the time but it really should be more consistent. Especially when you bend and hold the note vibrato should be really wide if you want to sound like a pro. Your bends were good btw. Some rhythmical problems were noticeable all the way from 10:24 – 10:29. I am talking about the hammer ons and pull offs. Rhythm placement of those licks was all over the place.

Hi Emir. Nice job with the mix. I heard it fully a couple of times already!

Thanks a lot for all the comments. They will help a lot!
I will try to further incorporate those things into my practice routine.

Can you suggest a tutorial or something on how to remove the noise before exporting? rolleyes.gif

After struggling a long time with out of tune bends, I've been working on bends so it is good to hear they are fine.
However I do have problems with bend+vibrato. I am playing a floyd-rose, so when I bend and than do vibrato the tension varies a lot. If I make it too wide I always find it out of tune huh.gif . Can you suggest any tips or exercises/lesson to make proper bend+vibrato?


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 30 2009, 04:32 PM) *
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Hi Twist. I remember fixing your GP file but I can’t hear that you corrected some of the notes in this recording. Open your GP file (fixed one) and look at the bar 9 where I changed your 14th fret into 15th. We are in the F# major chord and your 14th fret on the 3rd string is minor 3rd interval from F# but we need major 3rd which sits on the 15th fret. The exact same thing happens in the bar 17. Apart from that everything was correct. You posted this video on Youtube. I watched it and there is something I noticed which I wouldn’t otherwise if you just left your audio smile.gif You use your pinky in places where you have normal 4 frets situation which is good. Wherever you have wider stretch you are using only 3 fingers. Why? It is more natural to use it there as you’re dealing with more frets. This happens in that part which you didn’t fix (bars 9 and 17) and the last diminished line. Both of these are “crying” for pinky. Because of that you have much more stress to control the whole line. Whenever you have opportunity to use your pinky just go for it. That means when you have 4 frets situation and more than that, always use pinky. Your vibrato is not very developed. You’re vibrating from the finger but you need to do it from the wrist. This will come with time but you really need to practice vibrato more. Your guitar sound is well defined but the type of distortion you are using is a bit buzzy. Listen to Dexter’s take and try to find something similar in your presets if you are using any amp simulator. I am looking for something warm, and with enough sustain but decent amount of drive. This take works as it is and I am happy I could help with your GP file. I am happy to do it anytime but please don’t forget about those corrections. Nice work with your creativity.


Hi Emir, thank you for your long comment smile.gif I did not ignore the changes you made on my gp file on purpose. It just somehow slipped through... sorry...

The other thing you mentioned, sloppy pinkie use, is one of my bigger problems. I do that for years and its hard to get rid of. At the moment i am practising scales all day with correct finger palcement to get more pinkie training.
And the vibrato is another problem i am working on. Do you have any suggestions, maybe some lessons, i could learn to help building up vibrato skill?

For the sound, i will listen to the other takes smile.gif

So, again, thank you for your time and help! This was the first thing i "composed" ever. And i am glad i had the chance to do it here with your help!



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post Aug 31 2009, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (Gus @ Aug 31 2009, 08:00 PM) *
Hi Emir. Nice job with the mix. I heard it fully a couple of times already!

Thanks a lot for all the comments. They will help a lot!
I will try to further incorporate those things into my practice routine.

Can you suggest a tutorial or something on how to remove the noise before exporting? rolleyes.gif

After struggling a long time with out of tune bends, I've been working on bends so it is good to hear they are fine.
However I do have problems with bend+vibrato. I am playing a floyd-rose, so when I bend and than do vibrato the tension varies a lot. If I make it too wide I always find it out of tune huh.gif . Can you suggest any tips or exercises/lesson to make proper bend+vibrato?

You should practice bends and vibrato with both fingers and floyd rose. I don't really have any tips for bends. They just need to sound in tune smile.gif I just hear when they are not. Bend with the 3rd finger whenever possible but press the 1st and the 2nd as well so you have more strenght when bending. About the vibrato you can read in many of my collab comments about it. I think I told something in the leedbreak's comment, that might be helpful.

That noise wasn't from the guitar sound. You played something unarticulated smile.gif When that happens, just mute that part or cut it in your program. When you polish the take then click export smile.gif

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QUOTE (twist @ Aug 31 2009, 08:07 PM) *
Hi Emir, thank you for your long comment smile.gif I did not ignore the changes you made on my gp file on purpose. It just somehow slipped through... sorry...

The other thing you mentioned, sloppy pinkie use, is one of my bigger problems. I do that for years and its hard to get rid of. At the moment i am practising scales all day with correct finger palcement to get more pinkie training.
And the vibrato is another problem i am working on. Do you have any suggestions, maybe some lessons, i could learn to help building up vibrato skill?

For the sound, i will listen to the other takes smile.gif

So, again, thank you for your time and help! This was the first thing i "composed" ever. And i am glad i had the chance to do it here with your help!

Thanks for collaborating man. I have just told Gus about the vibrato. I mentioned that in many comments in this collab. Read leedbreak's one. If this is your first solo composed then it's awesome. My first solo wasn't even near this quality smile.gif You're doing good just keep coming back and I am sure you will see the improvement. Thanks again


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 30 2009, 03:32 PM) *
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You are an extremely talented musician. I enjoyed your every upload on forum and every video of you playing. Great feel and overall control, nice vibrato – agressive just when needed. There is not much to be said about your playing. Just keep up the great work and you are ready to start becoming well known player. I heard some dirty notes but that probably came because you were too excited when recording. Almost slipped completely a couple of times smile.gif You also need to concentrate on your hands instead of closing eyes and just killing the beast out of the guitar which is a great thing if you execute everything properly smile.gif The weakest point in this solo was that double stop on 10:05 which was out of tune. I would have played these two (look at the bottom Tjchep picture attached). Apart from that I liked everything you played and I can only say well done and thanks for joining the collaboration. I hope to see you again. Well done


This means alot to me. Thank you very much.

Regarding the sloppy playing, I'll admit I sometimes get carried away when playing/recording and that is something that I really do need to work on.

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QUOTE (Tjchep @ Aug 31 2009, 08:24 PM) *
This means alot to me. Thank you very much.

Regarding the sloppy playing, I'll admit I sometimes get carried away when playing/recording and that is something that I really do need to work on.

Thanks again Emir.smile.gif

Thanks man. All credits to you for a great take smile.gif

Rated Htr is uploaded and the mix is updated with his take smile.gif


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Thanks Emir for your comments.

I already noticed that the whole thing did not flow like it should be ... and this while even using alternate picking mellow.gif. Anyways, somehow I could not get it right this time at all, which is probably even more obvious in this take due to the large amount of long notes. Will certainly practice this until I get it right as well as with the vibrato.



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Hi Emir, thanks for the comments and congrats for this overall great work. I´m seriously thinking sign up you for making backings and final mixes to my compositions. So which is your buy-out clause? 96 euro millions, like Cristiano Ronaldo? No problem: I will talk with Florentino Pérez, president of Real Madrid, for lend me this money. In the next hours you will receive a call telephone from my manager. wink.gif



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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 30 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Dexxter (0:00 – 1:10)

Awesome take Dexxter. Excellent tone. Is this your flying V guitar? I remember from your REC takes that you had killer tone on that guitar. Besides you have an excellent control and feel. Your take sounds extremely professional. Every melodic line and your creative ideas are something that we usually hear from top class players. I like that you moved to the higher octave at some point and broke the low register continuity which gave totally new dimension and huge refreshment. Scales, lines and note choice are all great. I can hardly find any weak point to comment. The only thing I noticed is your bends could be just a tiny bit more in tune. You followed my lick from the lesson (or it sounds like it to me) when I play a note and right after bend to that same note from a fret below. You didn’t bend it all the way to the right spot but that’s really minor issue which is not even worth mentioning smile.gif Your vibrato is very consistent and great but I would go for even wider vibrato if I played this take. When you moved to the high octave you played just great amount of vibrato. Don’t be afraid to go for it, just make sure that you control it well. Excellent take and thanks for joining the collab.


Thank you so much Emir, this means a lot to me! Yes, this is my flying V smile.gif Yes, when I was done with my take I noticed I had the same lick as you on two places. Will work on the bends smile.gif Thanks for the nice words once again! And thanks for this collab, looking forward to your next! biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Aug 31 2009, 09:07 PM) *
Thanks Emir for your comments.

I already noticed that the whole thing did not flow like it should be ... and this while even using alternate picking mellow.gif. Anyways, somehow I could not get it right this time at all, which is probably even more obvious in this take due to the large amount of long notes. Will certainly practice this until I get it right as well as with the vibrato.

Well I am sorry because you said you played alternate picking. It's good that you are aware of the things I mentioned and I hope you know the way how to improve. If not feel free to ask anything and I am here 24 hours for everybody. Your take had some great parts but that connection has to be improved smile.gif

QUOTE (Sergio Dorado @ Aug 31 2009, 09:51 PM) *
Hi Emir, thanks for the comments and congrats for this overall great work. I´m seriously thinking sign up you for making backings and final mixes to my compositions. So which is your buy-out clause? 96 euro millions, like Cristiano Ronaldo? No problem: I will talk with Florentino Pérez, president of Real Madrid, for lend me this money. In the next hours you will receive a call telephone from my manager. wink.gif

Hi Sergio smile.gif I never liked Ronaldo hahah. My favorite player is Messi. He costs less than Ronaldo and I'll be happy to get half of the deal. Tell your manager to call me asap smile.gif

QUOTE (Dexxter @ Aug 31 2009, 10:37 PM) *
Thank you so much Emir, this means a lot to me! Yes, this is my flying V smile.gif Yes, when I was done with my take I noticed I had the same lick as you on two places. Will work on the bends smile.gif Thanks for the nice words once again! And thanks for this collab, looking forward to your next! biggrin.gif

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Some parts sounded like I am listening to Bach smile.gif


biggrin.gif ... now if I can just get to where it sounds like Steve Vai playing an interpretation of Bach! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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On 1:57 you played C note over F dim 7 chord. That note doesn’t belong to that arpeggio. You should have gone for F, G#. B or D. After that you went for the B note to target that F# sus 4 which is great but I couldn’t hear the sus 4 at all as you already ruined the logical chord structure with the previous C note which created harmonic confusion.


... I'll go back and check that out. One of my main goals for this collab was to make sure my note choice was perfect harmony wise over the backing chords. That note sounded just right to me, I'll have to see where it's wrong and try your suggestions.


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Let me say that the last diminished run wasn’t very well controlled. It sounded a bit sloppy. Sounds like your hammer ons and pull offs are not strong enough.


.... mad.gif more legato work in my near future. biggrin.gif


Thanks so much for organizing this collab Emir, and for putting together such great and well though out comments. It's a great learning experience to have someone with a critical ear listening and giving feedback. Awesome!



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Feel very happy about what I think it's bad smile.gif Let's get improving ^^ Awesome collab, thanks Emir smile.gif


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QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 1 2009, 02:31 AM) *
biggrin.gif ... now if I can just get to where it sounds like Steve Vai playing an interpretation of Bach! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Don't really know about Vai but some lines were really Bach style smile.gif

QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 1 2009, 02:31 AM) *
... I'll go back and check that out. One of my main goals for this collab was to make sure my note choice was perfect harmony wise over the backing chords. That note sounded just right to me, I'll have to see where it's wrong and try your suggestions.

I was listening to your take then I took my guitar and found it smile.gif That note wasn't right but hey, it's just one note hehe. Easy to fix.

QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 1 2009, 02:31 AM) *
.... mad.gif more legato work in my near future. biggrin.gif

That technique took me years to develop to a decent level. I always tried not to play it much because my solos used to sound better without it. Now I am ok with both legato and picking but it really took time until I got relaxed. I am sure you know the way how you're going to practice that smile.gif

QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 1 2009, 02:31 AM) *
Thanks so much for organizing this collab Emir, and for putting together such great and well though out comments. It's a great learning experience to have someone with a critical ear listening and giving feedback. Awesome!

Thanks. Trust me that for each take I spent at least 20 min analysing. One take is about 1 min long and I don't mind listening 20 times until I find the right words to explain what I think it can be improved. I am not saying that I am always right but I just hope that some of my advices can help. Thanks for joining this collaboration and welcome to every next one smile.gif

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Feel very happy about what I think it's bad smile.gif Let's get improving ^^ Awesome collab, thanks Emir smile.gif

Thanks man. The main problem was that I couldn't mix your track the way I wanted but your playing was ok. Thanks for playing with us smile.gif


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Aug 30 2009, 09:32 AM) *
leedbreak (2:15 – 3:19)


Thanks for the great learning experience and in depth comments. These collabs are helpful in giving us direction and setting goals. Only bad news is sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif I have played much longer than 2-3 years. But since I have been on GMC for that long maybe I can handle that depressing comment. ((Truth can hurt so bad))

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QUOTE (leedbreak @ Sep 1 2009, 03:29 AM) *
Thanks for the great learning experience and in depth comments. These collabs are helpful in giving us direction and setting goals. Only bad news is sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif I have played much longer than 2-3 years. But since I have been on GMC for that long maybe I can handle that depressing comment. ((Truth can hurt so bad))

I look forward to your next one. Can I auto join it now. lol

Yes you can auto join smile.gif

I am sorry if I missjudged your playing experience. Saying that you have been playing for 10 yeras (or so) and saying that you've been constantly practicing for 10 years is not the same. Which one of these is true? If the second one is true then you didn't have a well perpared program that would make you sound like a pro as in 7-10 years you should be able to play like a pro. GMC has some great examples of how people here can improve. The one that comes to my mind right now is Superize. Just a year ago he was really a beginner level. Now if you look at his REC takes he usualy gets all 5. You just shouldn't lose continutity in practicing and everything will sit on the right place soon. The fact that "truth can hurt so bad" is sometimes true but believe me that I receive negative comments every single day. I always learn something from each of them unless they come from someone that really doesn't have a clue about music smile.gif Don't worry too much about that. We are here to help you go the right direction and your job is to practice and impress us smile.gif


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