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MickeM
post Sep 3 2009, 11:51 PM
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Anyone tried it? Looks more useful than the JM4 from Line6 though that one has a lot of drum tracks.

The only disadvantage I see, though I may be wrong, is that you're stuck with the same loop running over and over and over again.... yeah, well, that's a loop.
Or it it possible to record separate loops for intro, verse, chorus, bridge and perform them in order? That'd be something for songmaking on the fly.

But the JM4 is nothing other than a Spider Jam amp as far as I can see, right?

Boss RC-50 look thrilling, a little more expensive but maybe worth the extra for the mother of loop stations. And it has three banks for storing more of your song.


My general idea is to make songs on the fly, export into a computer and better by rerecording everything there.
I'm striving for shortening the time between getting an idea and having a recorded track/song.


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Ivan Milenkovic
post Sep 4 2009, 12:28 AM
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I think exporting to computer is definitely a valuable option, you should consider that. I'm not sure if Digitech one can do that tho..

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post Sep 4 2009, 09:33 AM
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I have the Jamman and a BOSS BR-600 (which has a loop function)

With the Jamman, you can get different loops to run in order but there is a small lag (at least with mine) and this totally ruins the tempo. Also you can remove the memory card and hook it up to your PC (so you can put them on your computer).

The BOSS BR-600 is really cool: I use mine together with a POD 2.0 and it's the ultimate jam-device.
I take it along with me to friends. Then I record some simple backings and it's jam-time cool.gif.
Also since I got mine my timing has improved so much. Just put on a simple click (or metronome-sound) and record yourself: you will hear EVERYTHING. (wrong and good)

I also used (tried) the BOSS RC-50 and found it was lacking what I needed (at least at the time). It just was too much, too bulky (it's really big), too hard to use. You might find it has just what you need but for me it didn't do the trick. Also I think it doesn't support external memory cards and this is a HUGE negative (not 100% sure though).

If you just want looping, get a looper (Jamman, RC-50, ...) but if you might want something more than just looping, digital recording studio's might be worth looking into.

Also the price is pretty nice: the BOSS BR-600 cost less then both the Jamman and the BOSS RC-50 (at least here in Belgium).
I use mine for looping, recording simple songs, recording me and my friends jamming (with a microfone), recording different licks (I even have an extra memory card just for that, so I can save them to my computer and send them to my friends), loading the backings from GMC (you do have to convert them to wav but it works perfect), loading songs to learn so I can loop a part and test my hearing, ...

Really I could go on and on and on about the BR-600 biggrin.gif. I don't regret getting the Jamman (it will certainly come in handy at a time) but for now my BR-600 is everything I could want and need. I just regret not getting the BR-900, because of the extra couple of tracks laugh.gif

If you have some questions about what the Digitech Jamman or the BR-600 can do, I'll be happy to answer them (as far as I can smile.gif )

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post Sep 4 2009, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE (Mister_Riff @ Sep 4 2009, 04:33 AM) *
I have the Jamman and a BOSS BR-600 (which has a loop function)

With the Jamman, you can get different loops to run in order but there is a small lag (at least with mine) and this totally ruins the tempo. Also you can remove the memory card and hook it up to your PC (so you can put them on your computer).

The BOSS BR-600 is really cool: I use mine together with a POD 2.0 and it's the ultimate jam-device.
I take it along with me to friends. Then I record some simple backings and it's jam-time cool.gif.
Also since I got mine my timing has improved so much. Just put on a simple click (or metronome-sound) and record yourself: you will hear EVERYTHING. (wrong and good)

I also used (tried) the BOSS RC-50 and found it was lacking what I needed (at least at the time). It just was too much, too bulky (it's really big), too hard to use. You might find it has just what you need but for me it didn't do the trick. Also I think it doesn't support external memory cards and this is a HUGE negative (not 100% sure though).

If you just want looping, get a looper (Jamman, RC-50, ...) but if you might want something more than just looping, digital recording studio's might be worth looking into.

Also the price is pretty nice: the BOSS BR-600 cost less then both the Jamman and the BOSS RC-50 (at least here in Belgium).
I use mine for looping, recording simple songs, recording me and my friends jamming (with a microfone), recording different licks (I even have an extra memory card just for that, so I can save them to my computer and send them to my friends), loading the backings from GMC (you do have to convert them to wav but it works perfect), loading songs to learn so I can loop a part and test my hearing, ...

Really I could go on and on and on about the BR-600 biggrin.gif. I don't regret getting the Jamman (it will certainly come in handy at a time) but for now my BR-600 is everything I could want and need. I just regret not getting the BR-900, because of the extra couple of tracks laugh.gif

If you have some questions about what the Digitech Jamman or the BR-600 can do, I'll be happy to answer them (as far as I can smile.gif )



Ah, I just had a convo with a kid who jams acoustic live on a regular basis. He was raving about his purchase of the Boss .. In Fact: Here is what his reply to me was.

Boss RC20-XL...i looked into many different ones for months and finally decided on this one. bout $250, has sick capabilities, and excellent tone transfer. yea i never really wanted one until i started giggin, but its well worth the buy. i liked jam man too, but this has 16 minutes of loop storage
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post Sep 4 2009, 03:18 PM
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Wow, congratulations. THat is a great pedal, I wanted to get one myself smile.gif


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post Sep 4 2009, 10:03 PM
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Checking some demos on RC20 now smile.gif

And... once again we're back to digital studios mellow.gif I've been over this so many times and I'm always told that it's so much easier and so much better to record and edit on a computer. Yes, editing in my computer, that's something I would be doing anyway it's more the capturing phase I'm looking for.

I have everything I need to do all the recording into computer. It's just that I'm used to noodling until I find a good idea for a song, then play it to my band and from there the song is finalized and we record it live with a Zoom H2.
Easy!
With the computer I feel more like I'm recording something, the have to let go of my guitar to do some clicking, then rerecord. The looper would be just to press with my foot and record again.
I'm telling myself a digital portable studio would be easier aswell to pick a drum track, record and soon enough have a finished song that I could transfer to the computer and rerecord there. (If that's even neccessary)

I'm looking at the Boss BR600, also Zoom R16. I'm kind of sold on this Zoom already. It's a digital studio for up to 32GB SD cards and will also function as a USB sound interface. Means I could sell my POD X3 Live smile.gif I only use it as a sound interface and it never leaves the desk.
That could be a good opportunity for me to finally get to try out a digital studio and to shrink my homestudio a bit.

Problems problems wink.gif


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post Sep 5 2009, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 4 2009, 11:03 PM) *
Checking some demos on RC20 now smile.gif

And... once again we're back to digital studios mellow.gif I've been over this so many times and I'm always told that it's so much easier and so much better to record and edit on a computer. Yes, editing in my computer, that's something I would be doing anyway it's more the capturing phase I'm looking for.

I have everything I need to do all the recording into computer. It's just that I'm used to noodling until I find a good idea for a song, then play it to my band and from there the song is finalized and we record it live with a Zoom H2.
Easy!
With the computer I feel more like I'm recording something, the have to let go of my guitar to do some clicking, then rerecord. The looper would be just to press with my foot and record again.
I'm telling myself a digital portable studio would be easier aswell to pick a drum track, record and soon enough have a finished song that I could transfer to the computer and rerecord there. (If that's even neccessary)


Don't get me wrong, you can't get better sound quality from a digital studio than you can from a computer. But they are ideal to record something really fast, loop that phrase/riff/... and then noodle to your hearts content. cool.gif

And like you said: if you have finished your song, you can always transfer it to the computer and rerecord or clean it up.

Now get ready to push that "undo-button" over and over again laugh.gif



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