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post Sep 8 2009, 04:46 AM
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Sorry to hijack your thread, guys. I will be most brief. Just curious maharzan. Tones in your latest upload. Triaxis? smile.gif I like it.


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post Sep 8 2009, 05:20 AM
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Thanks Muris.

I will lay them out again. smile.gif

Gm
Eb
Cm
Gm F
F

Eb Eb/D
Fm
Bb
Ab
Gm
A
D
Gm9

Hopefully I got it right.. I am really not good at ear (need a lot of time).. I can hardly tune (noticed since childhood) whereas my vocalist can tune so fast just by ear.

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Not a problem at all!! Thanks. smile.gif

HELL YEAH!!! Its the raw Mark IIC yellow channel and slight delay added on my pro tools LE. I hate Guitar Rig 3 now and all my digital model boxes! On that note, I NEED A G-FORCE NOW!!

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Sep 8 2009, 04:46 AM) *
Sorry to hijack your thread, guys. I will be most brief. Just curious maharzan. Tones in your latest upload. Triaxis? smile.gif I like it.


Muris, That reminds me to ask you how to save preset in triaxis? I have this tone Mark IIC Lead channel but the master is too loud for ProTools and clips. All the time when I turn on the triaxis, I have to press those buttons to 2.0. How do I save it as a preset so I don't have to fiddle around with the arrows again? I looked in the manual but didn't find.. they have the ones with midi pedal or something I think.. Pocket Pedals as they say..

Thanks!

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post Sep 8 2009, 05:37 AM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Sep 8 2009, 07:20 AM) *
Muris, That reminds me to ask you how to save preset in triaxis? I have this tone Mark IIC Lead channel but the master is too loud for ProTools and clips. All the time when I turn on the triaxis, I have to press those buttons to 2.0. How do I save it as a preset so I don't have to fiddle around with the arrows again? I looked in the manual but didn't find.. they have the ones with midi pedal or something I think.. Pocket Pedals as they say..


Page 1 To enter and save new parameter settings ... or
Page 3 Copy Feature


Yep. I haven't played my Triaxis in years but seems I can tell what it sounds like ... smile.gif


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post Sep 8 2009, 05:57 AM
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Ah Thanks neurologi. I was looking at the middle of the manual where there was step by step only find that its actually for midi pedal board. Cool, its the trained ears!! wink.gif


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post Sep 8 2009, 01:48 PM
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I believe it's copy button, yeah, maybe you have to hold it for few secs or som, not sure,
haven't used it in months, would have to plug it and try again. huh.gif
One thing tho, there are presets and programs,
preset is actually your sound, settings that you use (mode, amount of gain, EQ etc),
program is just a midi location and there are 127 of them.
In other words, you can store same presets on several location or on several programs,
that would be "copy preset to program" feature,
I was doing it a lot but I really cannot tell for sure how to do it,
must look at the manual.
It's very useful option when you use Triaxis with a FX unit such is G Force,
you make 2 identical programs using same preset on Triaxis
but you make to different programs on G Force, different effects.

As for progression, once again you were very close. smile.gif

Here's how it looks tho:
Gm, Ebmaj7, Cm, Gm, F, Ebmaj7, F, Bb,
Fm, Bb, Ebmaj7, Asus4, D, Gmadd9.

So we have Gm key in the beginning,
Fm chord leads us shortly into key of Eb.
Chord that brings things back to normal is Asus4,
it is supposed to work as second dominant, dominant for D chord which is dominant in a key of Gm.
However pure second dominant would be A major chord,
it sounds too obvious imho and that's why I used Asus4 instead.
One more thing, if you analyze guitar part you'll see that we play kind a Am pentatonic there
so it's actually made of Am chord, talking about this Asus4.

So you can use 2 scales here, Gm scale while we're in key of Gm
and then Eb scale, for key of Eb.
Over Asus4 the safest bet is to stick to the chord, without too much "scale like" playing.
Or you can simply try to sing a line and see what is it like,
as I suggested you in chat earlier. smile.gif


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post Sep 8 2009, 02:18 PM
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Oops.. looks like I messed up pretty much with the chords. smile.gif

So, one thing I still am confused is, do we actually play the chord and the scale of that chord everytime? Such as in this case, Gm is the key and when we play F lets say... we play the F major scale ? and when we are in Fm, we play F minor scale? Does it work that way? I had an impression that with the Gm key, you only play G minor scale no matter which chord you are on. Wouldn't playing different scales land on to different notes? or are they kind of relative and they are the same scale and only depends on the starting note? Like the Bm harmonic and F# phrygian dominant scales that I encountered earlier on one of the collabs. smile.gif

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post Sep 8 2009, 02:29 PM
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I see your question and here's the answer, theory involved ofc. wink.gif
Major and minor scales/of keys have 7 notes
and there's a chord on each of those notes.
We can build most simple ones as triads
or go more further with adding 7ths, 9ths etc.
Here are the chords in Gm scale/key:
Gm, Adim, Bb , Cm, Dm, Eb and F.
Gm scale works over ALL those chord while we are in a key of Gm.
I did played Gm scale only cause I have no where else to go, kind a! smile.gif
But there's another topic here called "strong notes",
it gives you smoother sound in your playing.
Strong note is usually a note included in certain chord that we are at,
those notes are fine spots to play longer notes.
Now if you analyze every chord in this lesson and every long note that
appears you'll realize that I was doing just that, all the time.
I'll mention singing, sing and analyze the notes,
99% your voice will naturally tend to lay down on "strong notes".

To be able to play strong notes you must know the structure of chords tho.
First long note that appears in this lesson is a D note, bended B string on 13th fret.
What chord do we have there?
It's Ebmaj7 chord and notes in that chord are : Eb, G, Bb and D.
It works like that, quite simple.

Same thing is with Eb scale or key.
Just be aware, it lasts for 3 chords ONLY, Fm, Bb and Eb,
after that we have Asus4 etc, I explained you what happened there. smile.gif


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post Sep 8 2009, 02:42 PM
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Okay, I am still not SO clear on this but I guess it will develop as we do more lessons. Most of the time, I do it by ear, and see which note lies in the chord and play that when landing. I did 3 collaborations till now here on GMC and I have got quite a good feedback on them so I guess I just need to get the THEORY part of it which I suck at.

So, I will get this lesson recorded in a day or two and then also try an improvised version of it. Whatcha say?


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post Sep 8 2009, 02:53 PM
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Yeah, it comes with time, experience, hard work and more theory knowledge!

Few days is just fine, happy recordings
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post Sep 8 2009, 04:51 PM
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Great.. On the side note about theory, I am looking over a few videos at youtube along with the wiki section here.. I have come to understand the chord formation (triads) and how major, minor, dim, augmented are constructed. This the basic theory I think. I did look over some that extended to dominant and 7ths but I will have to look over that again to understand fully.

And the interesting thing I found out yesterday was the Circle of the Fifths!! That was one cool lesson in there esp to know how many #s or bs there are.. I will have to try that myself but this was really interesting and all those THEORY stuff in there about Key signatures in there.. smile.gif

Anyway, I practiced a little today and looks like I am getting the feel / timing of the song. I can do those fast riffs now. hmm.. i m excited! Will try recording later.

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post Sep 8 2009, 06:46 PM
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Nice research on chords,
those 4 types of chords are triads, yeah,
7th chords have more options and we will work on them
as we go deeply in MTP.

Circle of fifths is used for scales/keys with sharps,
to find out how many sharps are in specific key/scale.
Also there's circle of fourths,
we use it to find out all scales/keys with flats,
C (no flats), F (1 flat), then Bb, Eb, Ab, Db and Gb.
It also works with relative minors,
Am (no flats), Dm (1 flat), Gm, Cm, Fm, Bbm and Eb minor. smile.gif


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post Sep 9 2009, 08:52 AM
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Hi Muris,

Still a bit sloppy but I just wanted to post it. I think this is a vast improvement from my last take but I see at least 2 sections I can improve on. will practice later and post it then.

Let me know your comments.. It does looks like I am still picking soft in the video.. biggrin.gif maybe I am.

So, here you go.



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post Sep 9 2009, 11:26 PM
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Much better, better control, wider vibrato!! smile.gif

Those chromatic lines are giving you most of the problems still,
specially in the last lick, over high E and B strings.
Perhaps you should add more chromatic exercises into your practicing,
like those standard 1234 2341 3412 etc exercises?
That with help you with finger independence for sure.
Your guitar wasn't 100% in tune tho but it doesn't spoil a progress, well done,
looking forward to better take and of improvised one! smile.gif


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post Sep 10 2009, 01:20 AM
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Thanks Muris.. About chromatic, in the beginning before playing scales, all I was doing was chromatic excercises. But its been long and now it feels a bit uncomfortable.. all 4 fingers cramped together.. will get to that. I am still out on the faster licks particularly.. I think either I go way fast or a not behind. smile.gif need to correct that.

About tuning.. I haven't had any experience with the floating bridge (this is the only one I have). Here is what usually happens, I tune up the guitar... all screws tied and then fine tune. When its perfectly in tune, I play around and after few days, I notice, its tuned down again. I just tuned it on my last video.. Doesn't the floating bridge screws actually prevent guitar from tuning down/up? How can we actually keep it in tune most of the time? Is this a problem with the bridge? spring? I changed the strings about 3 months ago.. I can't afford to change every month.. not a professional player so.. you know. smile.gif


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post Sep 10 2009, 11:59 AM
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You mentioned floating bridge screws,
you mean screws on the back or screws on lock?
Screws on the back should help you to make a balance with strings
so the bridge is in "neutral" position, held in one place by strings and springs.
So your tuning problem might have something to do with springs or strings (3 months old).
But here's the catch, you actually have to re-tune every guitar all the time,
it cannot stay in perfect tune, certainly not for few days.
How much does it go down in tune?


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post Sep 10 2009, 04:57 PM
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Oh I mean on the lock.. (neck).

usually its like little bit half of semitone I guess on all strings but 1 semitone in the 6th string.


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post Sep 10 2009, 05:23 PM
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I am just asking because I am like fed up with unscrewing the lock and tuning all the time because the fine tuning screw is all the way up tight.. I tune.. detunes and then tie the fine tuning knot to tune again.. so next time I have unscrew all and redo again.. smile.gif


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It happens to me as well, even without floating bridge.
I can't say if it's always semi tone in few days cause I retune it all the time,
I play very frequently!
Maybe it's the temperate in your room,
if it's kind a hot then string will loose tension and go flat, just an option,
doesn't have to be the case cause it's natural to stretch the string when playing
and make it going low in tune. smile.gif


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post Sep 11 2009, 04:03 AM
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I thought I would share a small tip that helped me big time with making the floating trem a little easier to deal with. Make sure the fine tuners are all the way out first (i.e. turning them anti-clockwise thereby detuning the guitar). After tuning with the machine heads to get it just about right .. detune them again just a tad to compensate for when locking down the nut. The guitar will go out of tune no matter what you do but when the fine tuners are all the way out to begin with you won't have to unlock the nut nearly as often because you have factored in maximum leeway in the fine tuners. It seems rather obvious but I only learnt this last week! smile.gif

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post Sep 11 2009, 04:16 AM
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Thanks Guys for sharing your experiences. This thing is really really hard to tune. Think next guitar I will get will just be a fixed bridge. smile.gif


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