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David Wallimann
post Sep 22 2009, 08:14 PM
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Assignment 3 - Harmonizing


Very well done!
Since you have your theory down quite well, let's apply this to harmonizing licks...
I recorded 4 short melodic sequences in different keys.
I would like you to harmonize those sequences on your guitar in thirds, and in 5ths...

Your first step is to understand the recorded sequence. They all have a logical repetitive pattern.

Once you have that, find the corresponding 3rd and 5th mode up and repeat the same sequence using those modes...

Please write down the modal positions you are using as well. All the recorded licks work well with 3 finger per string diagrams...

Let me know if you need help!

Take your time on this, try to be as clean as possible to really match the original sequences...

A Ionian

Attached File  A_Ionian.mp3 ( 126.84K ) Number of downloads: 125


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B Lydian

Attached File  B_Lydian.mp3 ( 103.17K ) Number of downloads: 127


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F# Phrygian

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G Mixolydian

Attached File  G_Mixo.mp3 ( 145.62K ) Number of downloads: 109


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post Sep 23 2009, 02:32 AM
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Ok, done it smile.gif

I hope those takes are clean enough, I can't really say if this is the case because I've got a bad ear for rhythmic impurities.
My guitar is a bit too loud, especially in phrygian part. In each take, first goes harmonization in 5ths, then in 3rds. I've used basic 3 note per string modal shapes to play those sequences, here they are:
1) A Ionian
3rds - C# Phrygian
5ths - E Mixo

2) B Lydian
3rds - D# Aeolian
5ths - F# Ionian

3) F# Phrygian
3rds - A Mixo
5ths - C# Locrian

4) G Mixo
3rds - B Locrian
5ths - D Dorian

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post Sep 23 2009, 11:39 AM
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Haha! You nailed it!
Good job! Your scale knowledge is better than what you told me it was in your introduction!

Assignment 4: Modal chords

Our next step is going to combine the modal knowledge you proved you have with a similar arrangement exercise we did on your first assignment.

We'll work in A and record 7 little chordal riffs to fit our modes.

Here's how it works, we'll use at least 2 chords (4 note chords).

The first chord is given in the mode... (ex: for C Lydian, CMaj7)
We'll add a 2nd chord to that one. However, the hord that we will add HAS to contain the characteristic note of the mode we are working on. In the case of C Lydian, we have a CMaj7 chord. As you know, C Maj7 could also be a C Ionian mode. The question we need to ask is: "which note differentiates C Lydian from C Ionian?
The answer is F#...
Therefore, you must pick from the chords found in a C Lydian harmonization a chord that contains an F# Lydian.

You need to do the same for

A Ionian
A Dorian
A Phrygian
A Lydian
A Mixolydian
A Aeolian
A Locrian

Once you have them, record them!

Let me know if you have any questions... I'll give you a week for this one, unless you surprise me and finish it right away like you did for the previous 2!!! smile.gif




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post Sep 23 2009, 11:47 AM
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I'll do it as soon as I can, but I cant do it today (I'm going to a Dream Theater show at last! biggrin.gif), so expect some results tomorrow smile.gif
QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Sep 23 2009, 01:39 PM) *
Therefore, you must pick from the chords found in a C Lydian harmonization a chord that contains an F# Lydian.

Is it a typo? Should it be just F#? smile.gif
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:33 PM
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Sorry, it's a typo..
That's what happens when I get up at 4AM... :-/
Have fun at the show! I always wanted to see DT but never have.
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post Sep 23 2009, 11:10 PM
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Whew, finally got home smile.gif

I've got 2 questions about this assignment:
1) Should I only use 7th chords or can I add normal major/minor and "sus" and "add" chords?
2) Should I use only 2 chords in each progression, or can I go for 3 or 4?
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post Sep 24 2009, 12:13 AM
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Only use regular 7th chords (Root, 3rd,5th and 7th)
You can use more than two chords as long as one of the chords contains the characteristic note...


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post Sep 24 2009, 04:47 PM
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I think I've done it smile.gif

Hope it is right, because I've never gone with "only 7 chords" approach, so some progressions sound weird to me smile.gif

Ionian
Characteristic notes - don't really know smile.gif
Imaj7 - IVmaj7 - V7 - Imaj7
Amaj7 - Dmaj7 - E7 - Amaj7
Lydian
Characteristic notes - #4 = D#
Imaj7 - II7
Amaj7 - B7
Mixolydian
Characteristic notes - b7 = G
I7 - bVIImaj7
A7 - Gmaj7
Aeolian
Characteristic notes - b3, b6, b7 = C, F, G
Im7 - bVIImaj7 - bVImaj7 - bVIImaj7 - Im7
Am7 - Gmaj7 - Fmaj7 - Gmaj7 - Am7
Dorian
Characteristic notes - b3, b7 (or only natural 6 if compared to aeolian) = C, G (E)
Im7 - IIm7 - Im7 - bVIImaj7
Am7 - Bm7 - Am7 - Gmaj7
Phrygian
Characteristic notes - b2, b3, b6, b7 (or only b2 if compared to aeolian) = Bb, C, F, G (Bb)
Im7 - bIImaj7 - Im7 - bVIIm7 - Im7
Am7 - Bbmaj7 - Am7 - Gm7 - Am7
Locrian
Characteristic notes - b2, b3, b5, b6, b7 = Bb, C, Eb, F, G
Im7b5 - bIImaj7
Am7b5 - Bbmaj7

Hope I got everything right smile.gif

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Attached File  e4_phrygian.mp3 ( 202.49K ) Number of downloads: 60
Attached File  e4_lydian.mp3 ( 202.49K ) Number of downloads: 31
Attached File  e4_mixo.mp3 ( 202.49K ) Number of downloads: 65
Attached File  e4_aeolian.mp3 ( 198.49K ) Number of downloads: 72
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David Wallimann
post Sep 26 2009, 09:04 PM
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Great job!
This was a good preparation for what's next.
So, you built some chord progressions fitting each modes.
Here is a recap of the characteristic notes for each mode:

Ionian
Maj7 + 4th

Dorian
min7 + Maj6th

Phrygian
min7 + min2

Lydian
Maj7 + #4

Mixolydian
7 (Mixolydian is the only mode that uses that type of chord...)

Aeolian
min7 + Maj2 + min6

Locrian
m7b5 (Locrian is the only mode using that type of chord)

Here is a little lesson that talks about that subject:



Assignment 5 : Modal chord progressions


Now we'll go a bit forward...
Following is a very simple loop using a constant A bass note.
I'd like you to record 7 modal rhythm tracks. The bass will remain in A to help all the notes of the chords give the full modal color.
This time, try to use triads (3 note chords)...

Same thing here, make sure that the tracks you build contain enough notes to give the color of the scale you're working with.
Let me know if you need help!

Tempo is 100

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post Sep 28 2009, 03:18 PM
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Thanks for the video! smile.gif Now I understand exactly what you meant by characteristic notes. And realize that I've done previous assignment a bit clumsily (too many chords smile.gif ). I've never actually realized that, for example, mixolydian is completely defined with only one chord! smile.gif

But now I can just take chord progressions from previous exercise, remove 7th's and get progressions for this one smile.gif So progressions stay basically the same, only dorian is changed to Im - IV (Am - D, maj6th is the 3rd of D) and locrian to Idim - bVIIm (Adim - Gm). Hope everything is correct smile.gif
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Attached File  e5_lydian.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 71
Attached File  e5_mixo.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 67
Attached File  e5_aeolian.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 77
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post Sep 29 2009, 04:58 AM
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Yeah!
I listened to all 7 takes, and those are VERY characteristic of each modes.
Having the constant bass along with these chords are a great way to hear the modes and you got it well.
Next step is a bit unconventional, but here's how it goes...

I'd like you to record over the chord progressions you have done a very simple theme.
The twist is that you will need to transpose the same exact theme to each mode.
This will be done by analyzing the notes of your original theme and changing it to fit the mode you are working with.

For example, if you wrote a theme with the following notes: 3rd, 5th, 2nd; you will need to make sure you use the appropriate 3rd, 5th and 2nd for the mode you are in.

Does that make sense?




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post Sep 29 2009, 02:06 PM
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Yea, totally smile.gif
i will do it as soon as I get home.
i think some themes will sound a bit weird smile.gif
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post Sep 29 2009, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (Nimrandir @ Sep 29 2009, 09:06 AM) *
Yea, totally smile.gif
i will do it as soon as I get home.
i think some themes will sound a bit weird smile.gif


Yeah, they will, but it will be a good exercise!
Oh, and also, are these too easy for you? I want the exercises to be a little challenging, make you think about it..
Let me know how yyou feel about these assignments...

Too easy
just right
too hard (I doubt it... ) :-)


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post Sep 29 2009, 05:43 PM
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Actually the assignments so far are quite easy, because I know what's going on and they are very logical and "algorithmical" (which is easy for me as a mathematician and programmer smile.gif ).

I'm going to record my takes tonight or tomorrow night at the latest. By the way, should I use the progressions which I've already recorded, or take one progression and do the same thing with it as with theme (change notes to fit the mode)? As I understood I should do the former smile.gif
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post Sep 30 2009, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Nimrandir @ Sep 29 2009, 12:43 PM) *
Actually the assignments so far are quite easy, because I know what's going on and they are very logical and "algorithmical" (which is easy for me as a mathematician and programmer smile.gif ).

I'm going to record my takes tonight or tomorrow night at the latest. By the way, should I use the progressions which I've already recorded, or take one progression and do the same thing with it as with theme (change notes to fit the mode)? As I understood I should do the former smile.gif



Yeah, do the former... :-)


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post Oct 1 2009, 04:57 PM
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Sorry for the delay, I was too tired yesterday to record anything.

Some takes sound weird as expected, mostly because chord progressions are different, and while I'm playing chord tones over one progression, the notes can clash in others. But I think ionian, aeolian, phrygian and locrian sound quite good. smile.gif I've come up with this melody in ionian and then transposed it to other modes.

Hope I didn't alter the melody while I was recording smile.gif
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Attached File  e6_lydian.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 75
Attached File  e6_mixo.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 82
Attached File  e6_aeolian.mp3 ( 338.9K ) Number of downloads: 85
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post Oct 2 2009, 07:51 PM
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Good!

You are doing great. I targeted most of your assignments on the fact that you said in your presentation post that you had a poor scale knowledge.. Not quite poor!!! Let's move forward and apply that knowledge to improv...

The following backing track extract contains a modulation...
Here are the next steps.

1 Find both keys of the track, write them in your answer and record yourself improvising over the track.
The next step should help a lot once you did this.. You'll see... :-)

edit: forgot to post the backing! Here it is:

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post Oct 2 2009, 09:21 PM
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This backing is really cool! smile.gif

My scale knowledge is ok when I work with them on paper or I have a couple of minutes to get the scale shape to the fretboard. For this assignment, do I need to fully improvise without any prior ideas or should I work out the solo and then record it (or a combination of two smile.gif )? If it has to be full improvisation then I'm in big trouble because all my improvisation are very clumsy timing-wise as I have to think for some (long) time before, for example, changing positions.

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post Oct 3 2009, 11:18 PM
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Thanks!
Glad you like the backing..
You can prepare your improv, but try to leave a bit of improvised licks in there too...
Most importantly, make sure you use the right scales...
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post Oct 6 2009, 02:33 PM
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Hi David!

I'm afraid I'll need your help with this one, as I can't determine what is the chord progression. huh.gif The first chord sounds something like A or Amaj7 and the second (I think) has some half-step movement, but I simply can't get it. sad.gif
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