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Muris Varajic
post Sep 14 2009, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 14 2009, 04:24 PM) *
Hello Muris,

Okay to memorize it I will play first position down-up: 12345678-87654321.
Then move up to 2e 3e 4e 5e position

There are always 5 positions for minor & Major scale right? after the 5th the fist position starts over again is hat right?


Not really, 5 boxes are for pentatonic scales cause they have 5 tones.
In diatonic scales you have 7 positions as there are 7 notes in scale
and each position starts from different note. smile.gif


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post Sep 14 2009, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 14 2009, 05:30 PM) *
Not really, 5 boxes are for pentatonic scales cause they have 5 tones.
In diatonic scales you have 7 positions as there are 7 notes in scale
and each position starts from different note. smile.gif


Hello Muris

Aha penta= 5 that is why there are only 5 positions.

Here we have 7 notes = 7positions. Good to notice that!!



I am planning a video tonight but like to train with a slower version first. Can you send me a mp3 with 40 en 50 bpm?

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post Sep 14 2009, 08:01 PM
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Hi Muris

This is my first take of the lesson.

There are a few notes still not well.

Somehow I get nervous during the recording and I make so unexpected mistakes like missing notes

I have to play it again a few times to nail it down.





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post Sep 14 2009, 09:47 PM
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Hi Muris

Here are my improv on this lesson. I recorderd them all in one take.

Attached File  improv_1_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 7


Here is improve nr 2:

Attached File  impro_2_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 3


Nr 3
Attached File  impro3_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 1


Nr 4:
Attached File  impro4_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 0


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post Sep 15 2009, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 14 2009, 05:53 PM) *
Hello Muris

Aha penta= 5 that is why there are only 5 positions.

Here we have 7 notes = 7positions. Good to notice that!!


Yeah, quite logical! smile.gif

QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 14 2009, 09:01 PM) *
Hi Muris

This is my first take of the lesson.

There are a few notes still not well.

Somehow I get nervous during the recording and I make so unexpected mistakes like missing notes

I have to play it again a few times to nail it down.





Well yeah, I see this IS first take after all
but I must say that you did it pretty good!
Timing was almost good all the way except 0:21(bit early on bend),
0:32 (need to keep straight 32ths all the time)
and finally 0:36 (this lick over F chord was pretty out of time but in tempo, you kind a "changed it").
But 0:49 made my day tho, you used your thumb for B note on low E,
many students don't do that, they use index instead,
much appreciated! smile.gif

Now, there is one thing that I would like you focused on,
it's duration of longer notes at the end of each lick.
Those notes should last as much as possible, right until new lick.
Of course you can't hold them long enough to have it all connected
since there are many position shifts but try to hold them as much as possible.
And when you hold them longer there's enough time to apply more
vibrato to each of those notes.
Vibrato is very important in this kind of playing tho,
makes guitar sing! smile.gif

QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 14 2009, 10:47 PM) *
Hi Muris

Here are my improv on this lesson. I recorderd them all in one take.

Attached File  improv_1_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 7


Here is improve nr 2:

Attached File  impro_2_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 3


Nr 3
Attached File  impro3_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 1


Nr 4:
Attached File  impro4_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 0


Mistake are for granted laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


There's no place for laugh here imho,
I heard few very nice ideas here AND your takes were more and more
tight and organized going from 1 to 4. smile.gif

I do have few pointers for you tho,
it's concerning those couple out chords we discussed earlier, Fmaj7 chord and F#.
As I told you, that Fmaj7 chord is taken from E Phrygian
which is the same as E natural minor EXCEPT F# note, it becomes F in Phrygian.
So you can either try with F arpeggio or simply land on strong notes,
note for F chord are F, A and C.
F# is more tricky to follow scale wise tho
and that's why I simply played one note over the chord,
note was A# which is 3rd in F# chord.
So you can either land on F#, A# or C#, those notes make F# chord.
And there's B chord at the end, you should use E harmonic minor there
cause of D# note, B chord is made of B, D# and F# notes.
You played natural Em using D note. smile.gif

Timing is VERY important in music,
even when we improvise we should be aware of timing and how we put it together,
how tight it is, accurate etc.
However I have a way to fix those tiny errors with timing when you improvise.
Can you write in Guitar Pro? smile.gif
Would be great if you could try to tab one of those takes,
you'll easy notice when timing isn't tight
cause those situations are horror to tab. smile.gif


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post Sep 15 2009, 10:35 AM
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thx Muris for your feedback.

I will o make a new improv with the theory you gave me. I will tab it out in GP.

Also I will improve the lesson keep 32th over the Lick in E. Focus on the lick in F at 0.36 And yes make notes longer.


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post Sep 15 2009, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 15 2009, 11:35 AM) *
thx Muris for your feedback.

I will o make a new improv with the theory you gave me. I will tab it out in GP.

Also I will improve the lesson keep 32th over the Lick in E. Focus on the lick in F at 0.36 And yes make notes longer.


Awesome, looking forward to it. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 15 2009, 01:20 PM) *
Awesome, looking forward to it. smile.gif



Hi Muris

Here is my impro nr 5 Attached File  impro5_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 3


I tried to hold the notes longer & paid attention to the timing and melody line (avoiding wrong notes)

The hard thing is to land on string notes because i don't know the scales by hard.



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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 15 2009, 04:29 PM) *
Hi Muris

Here is my impro nr 5 Attached File  impro5_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 3


I tried to hold the notes longer & paid attention to the timing and melody line (avoiding wrong notes)

The hard thing is to land on string notes because i don't know the scales by hard.


Still some issues regarding strong notes but timing was far better and more tight! smile.gif

This progression isn't that easy to play along,
you must be aware of every chord in backing and trust me,
many more skilled players would have troubles catching everything nicely!
It's very easy to play same scale over and over without thinking of chords at all,
what we have been doing here is pushing things on another level, no worries!

Could you find me few errors in this take, strong notes wise? smile.gif

And btw, I mean longer notes in lesson, not in your improvisations,
you can improvise any way you want!


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post Sep 15 2009, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 15 2009, 07:11 PM) *
Still some issues regarding strong notes but timing was far better and more tight! smile.gif

This progression isn't that easy to play along,
you must be aware of every chord in backing and trust me,
many more skilled players would have troubles catching everything nicely!
It's very easy to play same scale over and over without thinking of chords at all,
what we have been doing here is pushing things on another level, no worries!

Could you find me few errors in this take, strong notes wise? smile.gif

And btw, I mean longer notes in lesson, not in your improvisations,
you can improvise any way you want!



Hello Muris

I agree that this progression is hard to play along with.

This was my strategy/structure:
Try to follow chord notes or at east notes in the scale as long as possible. (Which is still hard if you can't recall them yet: so I tried to 'follow' what I hear and hope it is a good note)


Let analyze where I got wrong

0.00 - 0.08 I played notes on the Em scale in the Em chord

00.90-00.12 I played a note somewhere of the Am

00.13- went to D note on the low E string and played some D arp notes

0016 at GM7 i think I played Em natural scale notes over that Chord.

00.20 at Em I think I played Em natural chord notes starting on the high E string

00.24 -00.28 can't say for sure but I still play Em, while there is a F# Chord. So I should stay/land on a note on that is in the chord which is F# A# or C# That where I go wrong

00.32 at Am do some high Am scale notes and get ready to land on Em scale on the EM chord

00.37 at FM7 I am def not played FM7 arp I think it was Am scale notes not sure about that.

00.41 at F#m7/5- Notes of the chord are F# A C# E. I didn't play arp notes for sure I thing I tried some Em natural scales notes. I better could have used the harmonic minor scales there:

00.46 at Bsus4 (B-E-F#) and B (B-D#-F#) I think the notes came from Em natural scale notes but I must have take the E Harmonic (E-F#-A-B-C-D#)instead which has all the chord notes.

Finally I land on the Em scale notes at the Em ending chord






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Hello Muris

Here is my take 2 of the lesson


The vid:



and the mp3-take:Attached File  take_2a_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 1


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post Sep 16 2009, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 15 2009, 09:24 PM) *
Hello Muris

I agree that this progression is hard to play along with.

This was my strategy/structure:
Try to follow chord notes or at east notes in the scale as long as possible. (Which is still hard if you can't recall them yet: so I tried to 'follow' what I hear and hope it is a good note)


Let analyze where I got wrong

0.00 - 0.08 I played notes on the Em scale in the Em chord

00.90-00.12 I played a note somewhere of the Am

00.13- went to D note on the low E string and played some D arp notes

0016 at GM7 i think I played Em natural scale notes over that Chord.

00.20 at Em I think I played Em natural chord notes starting on the high E string

00.24 -00.28 can't say for sure but I still play Em, while there is a F# Chord. So I should stay/land on a note on that is in the chord which is F# A# or C# That where I go wrong

00.32 at Am do some high Am scale notes and get ready to land on Em scale on the EM chord

00.37 at FM7 I am def not played FM7 arp I think it was Am scale notes not sure about that.

00.41 at F#m7/5- Notes of the chord are F# A C# E. I didn't play arp notes for sure I thing I tried some Em natural scales notes. I better could have used the harmonic minor scales there:

00.46 at Bsus4 (B-E-F#) and B (B-D#-F#) I think the notes came from Em natural scale notes but I must have take the E Harmonic (E-F#-A-B-C-D#)instead which has all the chord notes.

Finally I land on the Em scale notes at the Em ending chord


That was one fine analyzing Robert, thanks! smile.gif

Over Fmaj7 chord you actually played natural Em scale which has F# note.
F#m7/-5 is made of these notes tho : F#, A, C (not C#, C note is -5 actually) and E,
so you can play natural Em there.

You did good job and I would like you to always question yourself like this,
no matter if it's for MTP, jam with friends or anything,
more you Q&A yourself the more you learn! smile.gif


QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 15 2009, 11:26 PM) *
Hello Muris

Here is my take 2 of the lesson


The vid:



and the mp3-take:Attached File  take_2a_MTP_Muris.MP3 ( 862.45K ) Number of downloads: 1


Cheers
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Ohh, that was much better, timing was almost perfect
and you fixed duration of long notes, well done!
I hope you'll continue working on this one to polish it even better.

Now I would like to see how your picking actually works in action.
Here's a lesson and BTs, 100, 80 and 60 bpm.
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...picking-thirds/
Attached File  Alternate_Picking_Thirds_BT_100_bpm.mp3 ( 974.09K ) Number of downloads: 3

Attached File  Alternate_Picking_Thirds_BT_80_bpm.mp3 ( 1.81MB ) Number of downloads: 1

Attached File  Alternate_Picking_Thirds_BT_60_bpm.mp3 ( 2.38MB ) Number of downloads: 3



And I would really like to see your picking hand in video
so try to aim and shoot it nicely. smile.gif




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post Sep 16 2009, 05:30 PM
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[quote name='Muris Varajic' date='Sep 16 2009, 02:26 AM' post='423880']
That was one fine analyzing Robert, thanks! smile.gif

Over Fmaj7 chord you actually played natural Em scale which has F# note.
F#m7/-5 is made of these notes tho : F#, A, C (not C#, C note is -5 actually) and E,
so you can play natural Em there.

You did good job and I would like you to always question yourself like this,
no matter if it's for MTP, jam with friends or anything,
more you Q&A yourself the more you learn! smile.gif


Thanks Muris

I like to do some more exercises about what scale to play on some progession. Now the scales where already in your lessons so that was quite easy for me.

But now when there is a another progession how can I find the scales I can use in that progression on my own. Now I am used to go for Minor Pentatonic. I have learned the 5 box since I have joined GMC.

Do you have some more so I can get this on my own?


and yes I will work on this lesson I like it very much smile.gif

Ah new lesson. Great smile.gif
I will make some nice shoots when I am ready.

See you later

Cheerio
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 16 2009, 06:30 PM) *
But now when there is a another progession how can I find the scales I can use in that progression on my own. Now I am used to go for Minor Pentatonic. I have learned the 5 box since I have joined GMC.

Do you have some more so I can get this on my own?


It works with analyzing, as we did for Luke lesson!
You can tell me progression you have
and I'll be pleased to explain you all possible options scale wise
including pentatonic ofc! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 17 2009, 02:12 AM) *
It works with analyzing, as we did for Luke lesson!
You can tell me progression you have
and I'll be pleased to explain you all possible options scale wise
including pentatonic ofc! smile.gif




Thx Muris,

I will give a progression and tell you what I think what the possible scales will be so you can correct me if I am wrong or not complete. Is that an idea biggrin.gif

I will check the Luke lesson what we analyzed there so I will understand the approach.


See you.
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QUOTE (playaxeman @ Sep 17 2009, 09:06 AM) *
Thx Muris,

I will give a progression and tell you what I think what the possible scales will be so you can correct me if I am wrong or not complete. Is that an idea biggrin.gif

I will check the Luke lesson what we analyzed there so I will understand the approach.


See you.
Cheers
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Sounds great!

I'm leaving for US in 2 hours and in next 11 days I might be less active than usually
but I'll to my best to keep in touch daily!


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 17 2009, 09:11 AM) *
Sounds great!

I'm leaving for US in 2 hours and in next 11 days I might be less active than usually
but I'll to my best to keep in touch daily!



Alright Muris,

I will analyse lesson Luke lesson. If I have problems or questions I will let you know.

Have a save trip and a great stay in the US. smile.gif

Where are your staying?

I have enough exercises I can work on so no problem I you can't contact as usually

Your are having your birthday in the US at 24 sept so happy Birthday... already If you not on-line as you are normally are.

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Thanks Roger!!

I'm staying in Chicago for few days, after that we go to Saint Louis
and then I'll go to Kentucky to visit cousins.
On 25th we play in Chicago once again and then in Jacksonville on 26th,
we have a flight back home on 28th tho. smile.gif


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Hello Muris,

yesterday I did analyse the luke lesson but when I was almost at the end I unfortunate I hit the wrong button and the browser shut down. ohmy.gif mad.gif

So here is my retry

The key is Bb because I see 2 flat signs. It relative minor is Gm.

The chords derived from this key are:

I ii iii IV V vi vii VIII
w w h w w w h
Bbmaj Cmin Dmin Ebmaj Fmaj Gmin Adim Bb'maj

The chords used in this lesson are ( follow the above with some added notes):
Gm, Eb7M, Cm7,Gm, F, Bb7M, Fm7 Bb7add13, A7Sus4, D79-, D, Gm7/9



The Bb maj scale contains: Bb C D Eb F G A (Major Scale Formula: 2 2 1 2 2 2 1)

The G minor scale: G, A, B♭, C, D, E♭, F, G



Chords used in the lesson >>>>> Scales to use at this chord
G m
Gminor, intervals: 1,b3,5....................................G Natural Minor (2-1-2-2-1-2-2)
notes: G,Bb,D ...............................................G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F

.....................................................G Pentatonic Minor (1,b3,4,5,b7)
.....................................................G,Bb,C,D,F

.....................................................Bb Major
.....................................................Bb,C,D,Eb,F,G,A

Ebmaj7 intervals: 1,3,5,7..........................................Eb Pentatonic Major
notes: Eb,G,Bb,D................................................Eb,F,G,Bb,C

..........................................G Natural Minor
...............................................G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F

Cm7 intervals:1,b3,5,b7..........................................G Natural Minor
notes: C,Eb,G,Bb ...........................................G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F

.....................................................G Pentatonic Minor (1,b3,4,5,b7)
.....................................................G,Bb,C,D,F

..................................................... C Pentatonic Minor
.............................................. notes:C,Eb,F,G,Bb

F Major intervals: 1,3,5..........................................A Natural Minor
notes: F,A,C notes: .....................................notes: A,B,C,D,E,F,G

..........................................G Natural Minor
............................................G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F


Bb7/13intervals: 1,3,(5),b7,13.........................................C Natural Minor
notes: Bb,D,(F),Ab,G ............................................notes: C,D,Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb


A 7sus4 intervals: 1,4,5,b7 .........................................C Pentatonic Major
notes: A,D,E,G ...........................................notes: C,D,E,G,A

.........................................A Pentatonic Minor
...........................................notes: A,C,D,E,G

.........................................A Natural Minor
....................................notes: A,B,C,D,E,F,G

D7-9 intervals: 1,3,(5),b7,b9 ........................................G Harmonic Minor
notes: D,F#,(A),C,Eb .......................................... notes:G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F#


Fm7 is a strange chord in this progression it should be Fmaj7

Fm7 intervals: 1,b3,5,b7 ........................................C Natural Minor
notes: F,Ab,C,Eb ............................................notes: C,D,Eb,F,G,Ab,Bb

..........................................G Natural Minor
............................................G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F

....................................................G Pentatonic Minor (1,b3,4,5,b7)
.....................................................G,Bb,C,D,F

Summary: For most of the chords the scales that can be used are



G Natural Minor
G,A,Bb,C,D,Eb,F

G Pentatonic Minor
G,Bb,C,D,F


Cheers
Robert

This post has been edited by playaxeman: Sep 22 2009, 10:02 PM


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That was really great reply Robert, good job! smile.gif

Now let me explain you few things.
First of all, 2 flats are included in Bb but the key is Gm,
they are relatives as you said but Gm is our root chord
and that's why we are in a key of Gm.

There were some issues with F chord,
you mentioned Am scale and F chord is included in Am scale as well
but we are still in a key of Gm and Am scale would clash big time!
So you can use Gm scale, Gm pentatonic and F major pentatonic
over F chord.

Fm7 chord and B7/13 are chords taken from 2nd key in this lesson,
key of Eb, it lasts not so long tho, we have only 3 chords in key of Eb,
Fm7 (2nd degree), Bb7/13 (5th degree) and Eb (root).
Over those chords you can play Eb major scale.

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