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Whats the difference between the minor pentatonic,A minor pentatonic, D minor pentatonic, natural pentatonic, major pentatonic etc..?

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Pentatonic scale is the scale that has 5 notes smile.gif

Minor pentatonic is when you play 1, b3, 4, 5, b7. These five notes come from minor scale which has 7 notes 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, b7. That's why it's caled minor pentatonic. Obviously if you set your root to A note (as number 1 in the formula) you will be playing A minor pentatonic. If you set D then D minor pentatonic etc...

Major pentatonic works the same but comes from the major scale 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Major pentatonic would be 1, 2, 3, 5, 6.

There are more pentatonic scales but these are the most common.


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I don't know for sure what natural pentatonic is,
I guess it's just regular minor pentatonic.
A minor pentatonic and D minor pentatonic are different in many ways
but still they are the same "type" of scale.
A minor pentatonic is made from Am scale which goes like this:
A, B, C, D, E, F, and G.
And A minor pentatonic is : A, C, D, E, and G.
So we are taking I, III, IV, V and VII degrees from minor scale to make minor pentatonic.
Same thing goes for D minor pentatonic
cause D minor scale is D, E, F, G, A, Bb and C
while we use only D, F, G, A and C to get D minor pentatonic.

There's also major pentatonic as you said.
You can take a look at relative scales to see some relation here,
Relative major to Am is C major
and C major scale has the same notes as Am scale
but starting from C ofc.
Now, C major pentatonic ALSO has same note as Am pentatonic,
notes are C, D, E, G and A.
But the extraction formula is not the same cause we're not using same
degrees is in minor case to get pentatonic.
For majors we use I, II, II, V and VI degrees.


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 7 2009, 03:07 PM) *
Pentatonic scale is the scale that has 5 notes smile.gif

Minor pentatonic is when you play 1, b3, 4, 5, b7. These five notes come from minor scale which has 7 notes 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, b7. That's why it's caled minor pentatonic. Obviously if you set your root to A note (as number 1 in the formula) you will be playing A minor pentatonic. If you set D then D minor pentatonic etc...

Major pentatonic works the same but comes from the major scale 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Major pentatonic would be 1, 2, 3, 5, 6.

There are more pentatonic scales but these are the most common.


so with the minor pentatonic, can i set any root note a-g? And do i have to start and end with the same note?


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QUOTE (loundzilla @ Sep 7 2009, 03:12 PM) *
so with the minor pentatonic, can i set any root note a-g? And do i have to start and end with the same note?

Of course but you should know when to use it. For example if you want to jam over A minor chord you can play A minor pentatonic. You don't need to start or end with the root note but you should be in that scale.


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 7 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Of course but you should know when to use it. For example if you want to jam over A minor chord you can play A minor pentatonic. You don't need to start or end with the root note but you should be in that scale.


I see, its a little clearer now, ill start practising it alittle more.

Thanks for the help.

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 7 2009, 03:12 PM) *
I don't know for sure what natural pentatonic is,
I guess it's just regular minor pentatonic.
A minor pentatonic and D minor pentatonic are different in many ways
but still they are the same "type" of scale.
A minor pentatonic is made from Am scale which goes like this:
A, B, C, D, E, F, and G.
And A minor pentatonic is : A, C, D, E, and G.
So we are taking I, III, IV, V and VII degrees from minor scale to make minor pentatonic.
Same thing goes for D minor pentatonic
cause D minor scale is D, E, F, G, A, Bb and C
while we use only D, F, G, A and C to get D minor pentatonic.

There's also major pentatonic as you said.
You can take a look at relative scales to see some relation here,
Relative major to Am is C major
and C major scale has the same notes as Am scale
but starting from C ofc.
Now, C major pentatonic ALSO has same note as Am pentatonic,
notes are C, D, E, G and A.
But the extraction formula is not the same cause we're not using same
degrees is in minor case to get pentatonic.
For majors we use I, II, II, V and VI degrees.


Thans for this. I'm defo going to have to get back to the theory boards and learn all this some more!

Thanks m8 smile.gif


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QUOTE (loundzilla @ Sep 7 2009, 03:58 PM) *
Whats the difference between the minor pentatonic,A minor pentatonic, D minor pentatonic, natural pentatonic, major pentatonic etc..?

This will eventually click, but i feel i need to ask more questions before it does.

Cheers,


Penta is Greek word and it means 5. So pentatonic scale is 5 note scale. You have a lot of known and used pentatonic scales as well as hybrid pentatonics.
Some of the known pentatonics scales are : Major and Minor pentatonic scale. There are other that are less known to beginner guitarist and they are Dominant pentatonic, Minor7b5 pentatonic,Minor 6 pentatonic, Melodic minor pentatonic and Diminished pentatonic.
Each pentatonic scale has its formula and each scale sounds different.
Pentatonic scales are taken from specific scale. Major pentatonic has 5 notes that actually come from Major scale! So we can easily say that Major scale is extension of Major pentatonic, or that Major pentatonic is describing Major scale with less notes smile.gif Same thing goes for Minor pentatonic, it comes from natural minor scale.
The difference between A minor and D minor pentatonic is that they have different notes but use same formula to construct the scale.
A minor pentatonic is = A C D E G (A)
D minor pentatonic is = D F G A C (D)

As you see these two pentatonic scales have 4 out of 5 common notes. Common notes are A C D and G. The only difference is that one has F and one has E note. A minor pentatonic has E note, D minor pentatonic has F note.

We figured out these notes by following formula for Minor pentatonic which is :

Root, minor 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, minor 7th and octave. This is everything counting from root of the scale!
We also have numbering formula which describes the same thing and is written like this : 1, b3, 4 , 5, b7, 8.

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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 7 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Penta is Greek word and it means 5. So pentatonic scale is 5 note scale. You have a lot of known and used pentatonic scales as well as hybrid pentatonics.
Some of the known pentatonics scales are : Major and Minor pentatonic scale. There are other that are less known to beginner guitarist and they are Dominant pentatonic, Minor7b5 pentatonic,Minor 6 pentatonic, Melodic minor pentatonic and Diminished pentatonic.
Each pentatonic scale has its formula and each scale sounds different.
Pentatonic scales are taken from specific scale. Major pentatonic has 5 notes that actually come from Major scale! So we can easily say that Major scale is extension of Major pentatonic, or that Major pentatonic is describing Major scale with less notes smile.gif Same thing goes for Minor pentatonic, it comes from natural minor scale.
The difference between A minor and D minor pentatonic is that they have different notes but use same formula to construct the scale.
A minor pentatonic is = A C D E G (A)
D minor pentatonic is = D F G A C (D)

As you see these two pentatonic scales have 4 out of 5 common notes. Common notes are A C D and G. The only difference is that one has F and one has E note. A minor pentatonic has E note, D minor pentatonic has F note.

We figured out these notes by following formula for Minor pentatonic which is :

Root, minor 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, minor 7th and octave. This is everything counting from root of the scale!
We also have numbering formula which describes the same thing and is written like this : 1, b3, 4 , 5, b7, 8.

Let me know if you have any more questions!



Cheers for this.

I assume all the minor pantatonics have the same shape 5 boxes? just played on the different notes?

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QUOTE (loundzilla @ Sep 7 2009, 04:45 PM) *
Cheers for this.

I assume all the minor pantatonics have the same shape 5 boxes? just played on the different notes?

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Exactly!
And that goes for 3 note per string concept in Major scale as well as all Minor scales smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 7 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Exactly!
And that goes for 3 note per string concept in Major scale as well as all Minor scales smile.gif

It should be actually 7 boxes for those scales
since those are diatonic scales with 7 notes,
just to clear things up for loundzilla. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 7 2009, 06:22 PM) *
It should be actually 7 boxes for those scales
since those are diatonic scales with 7 notes,
just to clear things up for loundzilla. smile.gif


I was referring to repetitiveness of patterns smile.gif Sure thing, 3 note per string approach is used for major and minor scale and its modes and they have 7 patterns smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 7 2009, 06:29 PM) *
I was referring to repetitiveness of patterns smile.gif Sure thing, 3 note per string approach is used for major and minor scale and its modes and they have 7 patterns smile.gif


Ofc, it just seemed to me that it needs more clarification
in order not to confuse someone. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 7 2009, 05:34 PM) *
Ofc, it just seemed to me that it needs more clarification
in order not to confuse someone. smile.gif



Urm i'm confused lol. I thought that the minor pentatonic had 5 boxes ("patterns"?)


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QUOTE (loundzilla @ Sep 7 2009, 07:31 PM) *
Urm i'm confused lol. I thought that the minor pentatonic had 5 boxes ("patterns"?)



See what you did now Muris ? laugh.gif


Minor pentatonic has 5 boxes (CAGED system)

Minor scale has 7 boxes (3 note per string system)



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There are som other ones as well, im using a pentatonic which is actually a minor pentatonic with the 6'th instead of the 7'th. In my mind it goes as "Robben Ford -pentatonic" , since he uses it in some spots. I dont really know the proper name for it, so if somebody knows, please tell me!

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QUOTE (Staffy @ Sep 7 2009, 07:56 PM) *
There are som other ones as well, im using a pentatonic which is actually a minor pentatonic with the 6'th instead of the 7'th. In my mind it goes as "Robben Ford -pentatonic" , since he uses it in some spots. I dont really know the proper name for it, so if somebody knows, please tell me!

//Staffay


I already named that one Staffay its called Minor 6th pentatonic. From C it would be C Eb F G A C. Comes from Dorian mode and Melodic minor!


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 7 2009, 07:34 PM) *
See what you did now Muris ? laugh.gif


Minor pentatonic has 5 boxes (CAGED system)

Minor scale has 7 boxes (3 note per string system)

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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 8 2009, 01:29 AM) *
Damn biggrin.gif

hahaha this is funny smile.gif


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