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post Sep 10 2009, 11:02 PM
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Hey, Im a sophomore in college and have been playing guitar for a number of years. last year i met a few people in college who play guitar, mainly two kids by the names of Connor and Paul. Over the summer I built a Warmoth guitar and practiced often in the hopes of catching up to Paul as he was better then i. So when i returned to college i felt as if i was close to playing like him, but not quite.

The other night we all decided to meet up and jam out a little bit, me Connor and Paul that is. So I pull out my fully customized Warmoth guitar in complete confidence and start to do a solo over Connors rhythm playing.

When i stopped the kid literally laughed at me. and said "That was SOOO out of tempo"

and i admit it, it was.. i have no experience with playing in a band, just over backing tracks.

Before this incident i vowed to never let anyone play my guitar; everyone has that guitar thats is... well you know... like a girlfriend; you just don't share them. I was actually pretty humiliated after Connors offensive interjection, humiliation is something that doesn't happen too often to me, so in complete submission i handed my guitar over to Paul completely contradicting my vow of faith (haha).

He played and everyone complimented him for how well he can play the blues... yeah great... whatever.... so a little bit later we're about to leave and on my way out i ask Paul, "hey man ill learn a song and we can play it you know?" to which he responded "just learn the blues man" in rebuttal i said "i know the blues" and he said "well learn it good then"


So after that second wise*** comment i made another vow........ to practice so much that when i go back there and play with those kids..... I will play so good and so fast and awesome that i will literally melt their faces off.... BUT i need your help!!! I recorded two guitar solo's over a backing track just the first two takes, nothing special that i did six hundred takes on to make it perfect.... i figured it would give a better cross section of my guitar playing

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post Sep 10 2009, 11:21 PM
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man forget the blues...show them one neoclassical sweep and tell them "hey, when you can do this, ill give you call"


but seriously...there are a lot of ignorant players out there..


i dont know about that guy, but a lot of blues players i know who "appear" to be good really are full of talk. people dont realize, but guitar modes, arpeggios, sweeps, and in some flashy cases tapping are all part of the blues. i dont know what he was playing, but i can bet you all he was doing was soloing over the same minor pentatonic shape...


anyways, dont let this kid get you down...you have the entire guitar master class to back you up...just keep practicing lessons, learn your theory...and then go back to the guy and show him what you got. Playing in a band is tough, it takes training, its not something you can just get up and do, its like a separate technique...go find some nicer players and see if they will teach you their ways


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post Sep 10 2009, 11:22 PM
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Learn thing to melt your own face,
that kid is probably not a standard to meet,
specially due his comment,
player with good skills and knowledge would never say things like that. smile.gif


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post Sep 10 2009, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 11:22 PM) *
Learn thing to melt your own face,
that kid is probably not a standard to meet,
specially due his comment,
player with good skills and knowledge would never say things like that. smile.gif

I totally agree with Muris......

ALWAYS BE WARY OF PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU HOW GOOD THEY ARE......... cool.gif
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post Sep 10 2009, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 11 2009, 12:22 AM) *
Learn thing to melt your own face,
that kid is probably not a standard to meet,
specially due his comment,
player with good skills and knowledge would never say things like that. smile.gif


Again, wise words and nicely said.

Don't pay too much attention to what people say. Just listen to your heart and do your own stuff and music. If someone comes to you with a critique, don't be mad about it, just keep it cool. As Muris said, real good players would never give such "compliments".


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post Sep 10 2009, 11:55 PM
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I have always hated such persons,but it's a good school for you for the future.
I'll tell you something:
for any kind of cooperation - the first choose people by character, and then by skill !


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post Sep 11 2009, 12:42 AM
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Hey man. You're no beginner for sure, you've come a long way I can tell. If I would make some suggestions, do you know many songs? Playing over backings a lot is one thing but you need to be able to be the backing too. And what kinda warmoth is it? I've had my eye on their site for a long time wanting to build one.


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post Sep 11 2009, 01:26 AM
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Malmsteen is a common player that we associate with having an ago.

But you really never see even Him say something like that.

You don't need people like that man. If music was a competition, it would be on Sports Center by now. wink.gif


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post Sep 11 2009, 02:44 AM
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I guess they are just kids. I wouldnt care enough to play their "Mom, Im the best" game. Dont waste time and effort to prove them you are good. Dont give them the huge attention they are asking for. Self-confidence is the key to improve in everything I think, and If you need the feel to give someone a show to demonstrate they are wrong, its not the best way of being self-confidence.

Or maybe it is... well, anyway If you want to have some fun, go for it and good luck. But always keep the faith on you and evrything will go fine for sure! smile.gif

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post Sep 11 2009, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 10 2009, 07:42 PM) *
Hey man. You're no beginner for sure, you've come a long way I can tell. If I would make some suggestions, do you know many songs? Playing over backings a lot is one thing but you need to be able to be the backing too. And what kinda warmoth is it? I've had my eye on their site for a long time wanting to build one.


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you should do it man, i learned so much about guitars by doing it.... and i absolutely love it... i would help you out if you had any wiring or hardware questions.... and thanks i appreciate the compliment and i definitely do need to learn some rhythm

QUOTE (Mario87 @ Sep 10 2009, 09:44 PM) *
I guess they are just kids. I wouldnt care enough to play their "Mom, Im the best" game. Dont waste time and effort to prove them you are good. Dont give them the huge attention they are asking for. Self-confidence is the key to improve in everything I think, and If you need the feel to give someone a show to demonstrate they are wrong, its not the best way of being self-confidence.

Or maybe it is... well, anyway If you want to have some fun, go for it and good luck. But always keep the faith on you and evrything will go fine for sure! smile.gif



thats really good advice, ill forget about it and just practice tongue.gif any suggestions?

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 10 2009, 06:22 PM) *
Learn thing to melt your own face,
that kid is probably not a standard to meet,
specially due his comment,
player with good skills and knowledge would never say things like that. smile.gif




thanks, and its true you would never say something like that, but as a player of your stature what constructive criticism would you have for me to improve my playing?
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post Sep 11 2009, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE (matt r @ Sep 10 2009, 08:56 PM) *
thats really good advice, ill forget about it and just practice tongue.gif any suggestions?


After downloading and listening to your tracks, I would agree that there's an opportunity to improve your overall rhythm. Are you recording against the backing track with some latency at play?

there's a really cool free metronome out there called wieldmetronome (should be at wierdmet.com or something?) that is quite small, lightweight, and flexible. For starters you would benefit from using it in its basic mode and following along with some of the rhythm video lessons here on GMC.

Kris even has one specifically detailing how to best use your metronome!


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post Sep 11 2009, 04:03 AM
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Awesome guitar! I've heard nothing but good things about warmoth. What are you playing it through? I can see a fender back there but its hard to tell if its a Blues Deluxe or a tweed junior or what smile.gif

[edit] Or maybe it's a classic 30... I must know now!

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post Sep 11 2009, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 10 2009, 11:03 PM) *
Awesome guitar! I've heard nothing but good things about warmoth. What are you playing it through? I can see a fender back there but its hard to tell if its a Blues Deluxe or a tweed junior or what smile.gif

[edit] Or maybe it's a classic 30... I must know now!



its a fender blue junior and i also have a fender super champ xd

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post Sep 11 2009, 06:36 AM
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lol, if you use a lefty gutiar no one would ask you to play it, everrr


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post Sep 11 2009, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (matt r @ Sep 11 2009, 03:56 AM) *
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thanks, and its true you would never say something like that, but as a player of your stature what constructive criticism would you have for me to improve my playing?


Criticism is dangerous tool, specially in hands of false people!
I would rather suggest you to be selfcritic as much as possible,
set yourself high standards and be harsh on yourself,
there's always room for progress!

However I did listen to your takes from first post in this thread
and there are many fields to work on indeed.
Timing is surely one of them, then theory and scale knowledge.
I noticed that you used Em pentatonic mostly when it's in key of A,
go for Am pentatonic instead, for starters.

A tip, listen to other blues players, copy their licks, steal phrasing ides,
improvising is not just about playing certain scale
but also playing with meaning.
That's why we ALL learn licks from other players and with time
we add bit of ourselves.
Work hard and result will come. smile.gif


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well anger is the path to the darkside biggrin.gif

Its a race with yourself only, practice with metronome, learn from the very useful lessons of GMC, and practice a lot. One day you'll see that, that feeling will turn into serenity and calm. And they will start to appreciate you.

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post Sep 11 2009, 09:52 PM
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Man,this kind of comment is so immature...
How can a musician hope to improve his own musicianship without staying humble?
I really have a problem with that attitude.
Plus your take was really not bad.
A bit unsure at the beginning, but got much better as you were playing!

I wouldn't even try to go back to impress these guys. Don't let them drag you into their game..
Just work on your own stuff, your time to shine WILL come.

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post Sep 14 2009, 09:15 PM
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I think you should be very self critical in order to improve. This is probably one of the most important things when improving. If you don't face how good or bad you are, what is the use of other people labeling you in any way?
So I would set up practice plan, focus on areas that I need to improve, stick to practice plans and be very self critical. You are the one that make it all happen, not some guy you met recently and will probably not mean anything in your music career in next 10-15-20-50 years.
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