Cycle 4 And Cycle 5, Keys with flats and sharps!
 Sep 11 2009, 07:48 PM Post #2 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 Ah, yes, the very basics. I´d like to add something:You can use 5ths as well to find out the flats! Look: We have C. Go DOWN a 5th and you got F, the same as going UP. Then you have to remember only the Cycle 5. Another hint. How to find out what is the key that has x sharps/flats? Let´s have a look at this example:We have 4 sharps: F#, C#, G# and D#. Now, consider the last sharp (D#). Go up a minor 2nd and you have E which is the root of E Major which has 4 sharps.There is a similar system with flats:We have 2 flats: Bb and Eb. Now, consider the next to last flat (Bb). That´s the root of Bb Major which has 2 flats.I hope this is useful.
 Sep 11 2009, 08:04 PM Post #3 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 08:48 PM) Ah, yes, the very basics. I´d like to add something:You can use 5ths as well to find out the flats! Look: We have C. Go DOWN a 5th and you got F, the same as going UP. Then you have to remember only the Cycle 5. Another hint. How to find out what is the key that has x sharps/flats? Let´s have a look at this example:We have 4 sharps: F#, C#, G# and D#. Now, consider the last sharp (D#). Go up a minor 2nd and you have E which is the root of E Major which has 4 sharps.There is a similar system with flats:We have 2 flats: Bb and Eb. Now, consider the next to last flat (Bb). That´s the root of Bb Major which has 2 flats.I hope this is useful. Yes Tolek good additions. There are about 5 more ways how to approach this topic but I choose one only to make it easier for members that are not aware of this system yet to learn it this way first. By the way, your method is same as mine, you were just going from behind (finding keys with existing signs instead of having key and then finding a sign!). This post has been edited by Pedja Simovic: Sep 11 2009, 08:06 PM Reason for edit: typo -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:05 PM Post #4 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:04 PM) Yes Tolek good additions. There are about 5 more ways how to approach this topic but I choose one only to make it easier for members that are not aware of this system yet to learn it this way first. By the way, your method is same as mind, you were just going from behind (finding keys with existing signs instead of having key and then finding a sign!).Yes, that´s also useful. If you have a sheet of music and you want to find out the scale, you can apply this little trick.
 Sep 11 2009, 08:07 PM Post #5 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 09:05 PM) Yes, that´s also useful. If you have a sheet of music and you want to find out the scale, you can apply this little trick. Yes. Eventually they should all learn order of keys with sharps and flats, memorize all 14 of them and have no problem at all -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:12 PM Post #6 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:07 PM) Yes. Eventually they should all learn order of keys with sharps and flats, memorize all 14 of them and have no problem at all That´s not necessary, in my opionion. If you are confronted with a lot of music, you´ll just simply know how many accidentals a scale has (at least the most frequent ones). Btw, are you going to post something about the CAGED system?
 Sep 11 2009, 08:17 PM Post #7 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 09:12 PM) That´s not necessary, in my opionion. If you are confronted with a lot of music, you´ll just simply know how many accidentals a scale has (at least the most frequent ones). Btw, are you going to post something about the CAGED system?Well I can't agree with you on that one. Especially if you had music high school exam for theory and harmony department in my town when you were 15-16 Lots of examples with interval and chord inversions as well as altering melody to fit specific key. Not to mention examples like name this scale, or how many sharps does this have, or trick questions... All for one hour and thirty minutes... I did it in 35 and entered as top placed on the list So I do think knowing this by memory helps, and it helps a lot because it becomes automatic. Theory should become automatic and locked in your brain so that you can forget about it and be creative I will post on CAGED system couple of posts yes, but not tonight. If I continue with this pace on activities on my board, I will never finish my other things (lessons for GMC, assignments for MTP, lessons for my site etc). Just be patient, it will happen I promise -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:23 PM Post #8 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:17 PM) Well I can't agree with you on that one. Especially if you had music high school exam for theory and harmony department in my town when you were 15-16 Lots of examples with interval and chord inversions as well as altering melody to fit specific key. Not to mention examples like name this scale, or how many sharps does this have, or trick questions... All for one hour and thirty minutes... I did it in 35 and entered as top placed on the list So I do think knowing this by memory helps, and it helps a lot because it becomes automatic. Theory should become automatic and locked in your brain so that you can forget about it and be creative Hm, that´s right, I didn´t think about this. However, I never learned the scales by heart. I only learned the accidentals and it was enough. Now, I can name a scale very quickly when the accidentals. Anyhow, the main thing is to know the scales and how to apply them and how to be musical with them. QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:17 PM) I will post on CAGED system couple of posts yes, but not tonight. If I continue with this pace on activities on my board, I will never finish my other things (lessons for GMC, assignments for MTP, lessons for my site etc). Just be patient, it will happen I promise Awesome! I´m learning the 5 positions of a major scale right now. I need to know it for the university audition.
 Sep 11 2009, 08:25 PM Post #9 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 Cool Tolek, good luck with that audition for university!I need to find software that can export good graphs. The ones I type in, like for CAGED shapes I need 5-6 frets tops, and I want to export just that. Wonder if I could do that in Guitar pro? Doing it in Photoshop is too much work, plus I don't have one on my new machine -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:35 PM Post #10 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:25 PM) Cool Tolek, good luck with that audition for university!I need to find software that can export good graphs. The ones I type in, like for CAGED shapes I need 5-6 frets tops, and I want to export just that. Wonder if I could do that in Guitar pro? Doing it in Photoshop is too much work, plus I don't have one on my new machine You can write the notes in GP and export as a .bmp or even .pdf file. New machine? Lucky one!
 Sep 11 2009, 08:37 PM Post #11 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 09:35 PM) You can write the notes in GP and export as a .bmp or even .pdf file. New machine? Lucky one! I already do that but for exercises. I haven't figured out how to do guitar fretboard and export just that! -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:42 PM Post #12 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:37 PM) I already do that but for exercises. I haven't figured out how to do guitar fretboard and export just that!You mean the tabs?If yes, then disable the musical notation by clicking on the track and unchecking "Standard Notation".However, I think that doing scale patterns like some are in the GMC lessons is impossible with GP.Did you see this already? https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/misc-less...tware-tutorial/
 Sep 11 2009, 08:47 PM Post #13 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 09:42 PM) You mean the tabs?If yes, then disable the musical notation by clicking on the track and unchecking "Standard Notation".However, I think that doing scale patterns like some are in the GMC lessons is impossible with GP.Did you see this already? https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/misc-less...tware-tutorial/I meant for guitar graphs. I use scale tool and it is good to some extent. Check my lessons you will see what it does. However, I can't just tell it to give me 5th position A minor pentatonic (E shape) . This is kind of software I want That tutorial I watched when I joined GMC. I do everything right until cropping part! -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 08:56 PM Post #14 Learning Tone Seeker Group: Members Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08 Member No.: 5.825 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 08:47 PM) I meant for guitar graphs. I use scale tool and it is good to some extent. Check my lessons you will see what it does. However, I can't just tell it to give me 5th position A minor pentatonic (E shape) . This is kind of software I want That tutorial I watched when I joined GMC. I do everything right until cropping part! Pedja....try this link........ http://www.neckdiagrams.com/I downloaded the demo and it seemed very useful.....especially for someone like you who has a real need for it......
 Sep 11 2009, 08:56 PM Post #15 Learning Rock Star Group: Student Instructor Posts: 2.888 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Brighton Member No.: 1.402 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:47 PM) I meant for guitar graphs. I use scale tool and it is good to some extent. Check my lessons you will see what it does. However, I can't just tell it to give me 5th position A minor pentatonic (E shape) . This is kind of software I want That tutorial I watched when I joined GMC. I do everything right until cropping part! Ok, I see. I can´t help you. I´m sorry.
 Sep 11 2009, 09:01 PM Post #16 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (lcsdds @ Sep 11 2009, 09:56 PM) Pedja....try this link........ http://www.neckdiagrams.com/I downloaded the demo and it seemed very useful.....especially for someone like you who has a real need for it...... Monte I am downloading it right now. Will let you know how it goes, it looks awesome by the way! Thank you QUOTE (Tolek @ Sep 11 2009, 09:56 PM) Ok, I see. I can´t help you. I´m sorry. No problem Tolek, Monte found a solution -------------------- My Video Lessons
 Sep 11 2009, 09:22 PM Post #17 Learning Tone Seeker Group: Members Posts: 2.054 Joined: 2-September 08 Member No.: 5.825 QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 11 2009, 09:01 PM) Monte I am downloading it right now. Will let you know how it goes, it looks awesome by the way! Thank you No problem Tolek, Monte found a solution Hope it works well for you Pedja.....\m/\m/
 Sep 17 2009, 01:18 PM Post #18 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 QUOTE (lcsdds @ Sep 11 2009, 10:22 PM) Hope it works well for you Pedja.....\m/\m/Monte, this software is great! I will seriously consider upgrading it to full version. In the meanwhile I will look for some free website with scale and graph tools that I could turn into picture files and use them -------------------- My Video Lessons

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