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post Sep 12 2009, 04:12 AM
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Hey people, I am sorry to disturb you but I have some strange problem...

Well my problem is a really weird one. I happen to be a perfectionist by nature, and I try to do the same in my guitar playing. So, without any chit-chat let me get to the point:

Lately I started to record my live performances and my warm-ups and exercises. And I noticed something really weird, on stage, I play really confident and actually very good. (I am able to notice every subtile detail as I have an in ear monitor) And when I am practicing at home I happen to do so too. But when I record collabs or record videos for GMC I get stressed and I make lots of mistakes, eventually making me spend too much time on it, and after that getting bored and send the lamer version of my takes. Before I started to record my other stuff, I was thinking that I was playing like that everywhere so this wasn't a problem, I was trying to do the same exercises over and over again to overcome my problem. But now I see that this is only happening here on GMC, and even worse, I start to find an enormous amount of errors and flaws immediately right after I push that "Send" button, but none before?! Well this is really strange because I had never have a stage fright or such but it looks like I happened to build some gmc fright biggrin.gif

Is there any other weirdo here to suffer from the same madness? That really pisses me off! laugh.gif

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post Sep 12 2009, 04:37 AM
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post Sep 12 2009, 06:15 AM
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Just relax and have fun playing. What you're suffering is called "The Rec button Syndrome". It really exists. I know a lot of guys that suffer from the same problem. The only thing you have to do to solve the problem is to relax and learn to have fun recording, until make recording takes an habit. Hope it helps you wink.gif

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post Sep 12 2009, 06:45 AM
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You seem to feel more pressure doing things for GMC then anything else. smile.gif I would just take away the pressure and set smaller goals when recording and submitting takes. Things like, in this take I will use a lot of repetition period. Or even things like, I will experiment with my guitar sound in this take... Sometimes when you take away the pressure good things can happen. I like working under pressure, it motivates me a lot to work harder. We all work different ways so you just have to find your own that works for you Can. smile.gif


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post Sep 12 2009, 07:23 AM
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Another trick is to just record almost nonstop. This makes the little red light part of the routine and also reinforces the positive aspects of your playing; you will be recording FAR more good playing than bad playing, for example.



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post Sep 12 2009, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Sep 12 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Another trick is to just record almost nonstop. This makes the little red light part of the routine and also reinforces the positive aspects of your playing; you will be recording FAR more good playing than bad playing, for example.


Agree totally with that, but I must also say that what we are doing here at GMC is to play to mostly programmed backgrounds, which is totally different than playing with a live-band. I will say that I have done the best recordings with the monitors cranked up, no earphones and just jamming along with the music. Also I noticed in this case, since the music "bleeds" into the amp mic's, it sounds more alive. Then we have the computer latency problem, which I never can really figure out..... They say that 6 ms. isn't noticeable, but I had guy's playing bass in my studio who complain's...


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post Sep 12 2009, 11:18 AM
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Use step recording Can smile.gif You can make every take sound like a pro.


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post Sep 12 2009, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 12 2009, 12:18 PM) *
Use step recording Can smile.gif You can make every take sound like a pro.

Step recording, yeah.
Or simply record in loop,
you would have several takes to chill out and relax
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QUOTE (Santiago Diaz Garces @ Sep 12 2009, 08:15 AM) *
Just relax and have fun playing. What you're suffering is called "The Rec button Syndrome". It really exists. I know a lot of guys that suffer from the same problem. The only thing you have to do to solve the problem is to relax and learn to have fun recording, until make recording takes an habit. Hope it helps you wink.gif


Man, I am really trying it biggrin.gif



QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Sep 12 2009, 08:45 AM) *
You seem to feel more pressure doing things for GMC then anything else. smile.gif I would just take away the pressure and set smaller goals when recording and submitting takes. Things like, in this take I will use a lot of repetition period. Or even things like, I will experiment with my guitar sound in this take... Sometimes when you take away the pressure good things can happen. I like working under pressure, it motivates me a lot to work harder. We all work different ways so you just have to find your own that works for you Can. smile.gif


Yeah working underpressure helps me to concentrate better too, but in this specific case, I really need to find my way around this problem for sure! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Sep 12 2009, 09:23 AM) *
Another trick is to just record almost nonstop. This makes the little red light part of the routine and also reinforces the positive aspects of your playing; you will be recording FAR more good playing than bad playing, for example.


Yeah I should try that... Thanks man smile.gif

QUOTE (Staffy @ Sep 12 2009, 10:10 AM) *
Agree totally with that, but I must also say that what we are doing here at GMC is to play to mostly programmed backgrounds, which is totally different than playing with a live-band. I will say that I have done the best recordings with the monitors cranked up, no earphones and just jamming along with the music. Also I noticed in this case, since the music "bleeds" into the amp mic's, it sounds more alive. Then we have the computer latency problem, which I never can really figure out..... They say that 6 ms. isn't noticeable, but I had guy's playing bass in my studio who complain's...



Yeah playing with music all around you makes a real difference but the bleeding can be a problem for some collabs man, as in some you really need the dry guitar channel biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Sep 12 2009, 01:18 PM) *
Use step recording Can smile.gif You can make every take sound like a pro.


Yeah but the problem is i don't want to sound like a pro, I want to play like a pro laugh.gif And step recording feels like cheating. Well ofc on my album recording process I used step recording, but in collabs here in GMC? I really want to have real comments about my real take here, not about some technological terror I've built biggrin.gif

But I hear you, in the end step recording is the best option...

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Sep 12 2009, 01:41 PM) *
Step recording, yeah.
Or simply record in loop,
you would have several takes to chill out and relax
until you get that perfect one. smile.gif



Well I can't step record REC takes can I ? laugh.gif


By the way, I really thank you people who replied about my stupid problem, guys you are the best biggrin.gif


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post Sep 12 2009, 03:00 PM
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It's a perfectly normal thing. Playing a live performance has very little to do with playing in studio, different environments, different mood/state of mind. I think it is good of you to be self critical, and the best takes usually come when we are not being "pushed" to do them if you know what I mean. If you do a take that you don't really like for the collab, there is no need to think bad of it. Simply accept the fact that you are playing much better live, and find a way how to improve home recording sessions. Do something unusual, change the vibe of a space, light up some candles, record different times of day. I gave some unusual examples perhaps, but you know what I mean in general.


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What helped me a lot is to have my recording gear always prepared. When i feel ready for it i just click the button and it feels like normal practicing... means, i'm not getting stressed or something.

As Muris said, activate the loop and play it over and over again ... i remember to have played some lessons or songs 20 and more times in one go up to i did a take more or less ok. Anyway, no need to rush things .. if it doesn't turn out the way you want, leave it for a moment and try it later again.

smile.gif .. the realize errors after you send them issue, i know this one very well, .. what about you wait one or two days before you send your take? List to it again from time to time with fresh ears and send it when you are convinced it's the best take you can do atm. ... again, no reasons to rush things smile.gif

Btw, ... i completely don't think step recording is cheating. Step recording helps you a lot to work out details and focus on them. Once you recorded everything in steps, i guaranty you can play the whole tune much easier ... if need for REC for example.







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QUOTE (Santiago Diaz Garces @ Sep 12 2009, 07:15 AM) *
Just relax and have fun playing. What you're suffering is called "The Rec button Syndrome". It really exists. I know a lot of guys that suffer from the same problem. The only thing you have to do to solve the problem is to relax and learn to have fun recording, until make recording takes an habit. Hope it helps you wink.gif


This is a great tip....Have fun and be relaxed while playing

Record as much as you can and your problem will not be that big


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 12 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It's a perfectly normal thing. Playing a live performance has very little to do with playing in studio, different environments, different mood/state of mind. I think it is good of you to be self critical, and the best takes usually come when we are not being "pushed" to do them if you know what I mean. If you do a take that you don't really like for the collab, there is no need to think bad of it. Simply accept the fact that you are playing much better live, and find a way how to improve home recording sessions. Do something unusual, change the vibe of a space, light up some candles, record different times of day. I gave some unusual examples perhaps, but you know what I mean in general.



Very good advice man, thank you... I'll try to make it look like a live performance and try to adjust my mood to fit. Thank you Ivan biggrin.gif

QUOTE (wrk @ Sep 12 2009, 05:27 PM) *
What helped me a lot is to have my recording gear always prepared. When i feel ready for it i just click the button and it feels like normal practicing... means, i'm not getting stressed or something.

As Muris said, activate the loop and play it over and over again ... i remember to have played some lessons or songs 20 and more times in one go up to i did a take more or less ok. Anyway, no need to rush things .. if it doesn't turn out the way you want, leave it for a moment and try it later again.

smile.gif .. the realize errors after you send them issue, i know this one very well, .. what about you wait one or two days before you send your take? List to it again from time to time with fresh ears and send it when you are convinced it's the best take you can do atm. ... again, no reasons to rush things smile.gif

Btw, ... i completely don't think step recording is cheating. Step recording helps you a lot to work out details and focus on them. Once you recorded everything in steps, i guaranty you can play the whole tune much easier ... if need for REC for example.


Thanks man biggrin.gif


QUOTE (superize @ Sep 12 2009, 05:54 PM) *
This is a great tip....Have fun and be relaxed while playing

Record as much as you can and your problem will not be that big


The thing is my friend, when you record as much as you can the problem just keeps getting worse, check out Tom Noskill's thread biggrin.gif

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youre not alone. i have the same exact problem. the moment i hit that button i get self concious and worried.
like jafo said what i do is just keep the recording on and just play it over and over again and than when i feel i got it i play it like 2 more times or something and than cut out the one i need. which is never the first one.


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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Sep 12 2009, 06:23 PM) *
youre not alone. i have the same exact problem. the moment i hit that button i get self concious and worried.
like jafo said what i do is just keep the recording on and just play it over and over again and than when i feel i got it i play it like 2 more times or something and than cut out the one i need. which is never the first one.



smile.gif Thanks for sharing man biggrin.gif Well I hope we will overcome that feeling biggrin.gif


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Floor Pod 2.0 Amp Simulation System
Pod Xt Pro Rack Amp Simulation System
Digitech TSR 12 Rack Effect and Studio Reverb
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QUOTE (enforcer @ Sep 12 2009, 11:28 AM) *
smile.gif Thanks for sharing man biggrin.gif Well I hope we will overcome that feeling biggrin.gif


Whenever I record by sitting at my station and have a plan, like making a video response or etc, I have the same problem.

You end up thinking too much and you are not feeling the music. When you are just jamming you are in tune with the track in a way that is almost subconscious.

So, yea. It is difficult.
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Sep 13 2009, 12:30 AM) *
Ive just recorded a video for the REC program and i get the same thing but im not sure if its state of mind, for me its just that ive been playing the thing for ages without backing track and then suddenly im like holy cow this backing track is fast XD



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Vigier G.V Wood HH
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Self made Fretless Strat type made of Rosewood/Maple with self wound Neck and Ibanez V8 Bridge Pickups
Floor Pod 2.0 Amp Simulation System
Pod Xt Pro Rack Amp Simulation System
Digitech TSR 12 Rack Effect and Studio Reverb
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Sep 12 2009, 10:30 PM) *
Ive just recorded a video for the REC program and i get the same thing but im not sure if its state of mind, for me its just that ive been playing the thing for ages without backing track and then suddenly im like holy cow this backing track is fast XD


you should always practice with the backing track, or at least a mteronome, someone once told me you can count on one hand the number of drummers that can hit precisely machine like on beat wwithout a metronome, so i dont think its even possible to do it with guitar.


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Just keep trying my friend! It happens to me all the time. Last time I recorded my take for Iron Maiden collab (video) while standing, and before recording I went before a mirror and made some spooky moves laugh.gif My take sounded only tiny bit better, but I was less stressed wink.gif


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