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Conrad Harpham
post Sep 17 2009, 12:33 PM
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Sorry guys - had to get this off my chest...
Ive just taken over guitar teaching duties at a local secondary school and had my first lessons today with some pupils of the former teacher...shocked wasnt the word. Some of them had been learning with him for over 4 years and they didnt know what a scale was, never done vibrato and didnt know about sliding, let alone any of the more advanced techniques..
When i quizzed one of my new pupils they said.."Yeah, we only ever did songs with chords..." - for four years???
Whe you think what they could have leart in 4 years...Whilst a good teacher can make you, a bad one can break you! Thank goodness for GMC!
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Toni Suominen
post Sep 17 2009, 12:38 PM
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I agree man, but luckily they have you for their new teacher now! smile.gif


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post Sep 17 2009, 12:41 PM
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Holy moly ohmy.gif This really is a dread situation... It is one thing to "fool" with guitar for 4 years in Your bedroom, but going to school for 4 years and learn almost nothing, thats terrible:/


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post Sep 17 2009, 12:41 PM
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He made it, you can fix it now smile.gif And happy birthday mate, so cheer up tongue.gif


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post Sep 17 2009, 12:50 PM
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Sorry for them who missed time of learning sad.gif

But GOOD to hear you intend to do the job right and bring them up to pace smile.gif


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post Sep 17 2009, 12:52 PM
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I have had these experiences as well with some students in Boston (at private schools). I was shocked like you were ! It just shows that having a good teacher means a lot to improvement of student.


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Conrad Harpham
post Sep 17 2009, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE (Toni Suominen @ Sep 17 2009, 12:38 PM) *
I agree man, but luckily they have you for their new teacher now! smile.gif

cheers Toni - i might teach them a scale or two!!

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 17 2009, 12:41 PM) *
He made it, you can fix it now smile.gif And happy birthday mate, so cheer up tongue.gif

Cheers mate - 36 years young today(Come to think of it, ive only learnt 2 scales in 36 years!!)...and a couple of chords...


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post Sep 17 2009, 01:19 PM
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Happy birthday Conrad!
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post Sep 17 2009, 03:13 PM
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in our school they do a semi year evauation of the students so this things wont happan, they havea board of senior instructors and tey ask you to play a couple of things


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post Sep 17 2009, 04:11 PM
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Do you mean by chords that they only know some open chords? Or barres?

Because 'only playing chords' can also mean they're now damn good rhythm guitarists tongue.gif Of course, if they don't want to be that, they're in the wrong place. Also, the I think they're very naive. In 4 (!) years of playing chords they've never asked themselves : 'what more is out there?' Pretty naive...


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post Sep 17 2009, 04:15 PM
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It's a matter of so-called teachers wanting to make easy money by playing chords only. As long as the students pay, why should they bother ?

It's pretty much the same when a so-called web developer creates a company website for nothing and then the company starts crying because nothing work, everything is bugged and you can only start everything from scratch.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes not. It's a matter of competencies and needs. smile.gif

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post Sep 17 2009, 04:44 PM
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Man, that's really sad!
I've been in that kind of situation when students come to me after 4 years of learning very basic chords...
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post Sep 17 2009, 05:27 PM
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I've been that student 25 years ago. And I didn't even like the songs we had to play. So I quited. Found GMC 9 month ago and bought a guitar again (even bought a second one tongue.gif) and started from scratch. Now its my biggest hobby and I spend lots of time with GMC. Keep up the good work!! You all made me very happy!
Your new students are very lucky to have you as their new teacher. They now have the opportunity to learn something and have fun biggrin.gif.
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post Sep 17 2009, 06:54 PM
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Sorry to hear that, but to cheer you up.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! wink.gif

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post Sep 17 2009, 08:23 PM
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That's deplorable!!! Especially from an Accredited (presumably) Teacher!!!
You'll soon have them Sweeping and Tapping for England!!!
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Conrad Harpham
post Sep 17 2009, 10:27 PM
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cheers guys - thanks for helping me get it off my chest!! I feel much better!!


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post Sep 17 2009, 10:30 PM
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The music teacher at my school was like this(From what i have heard from others) He forced his students to only learn stuff he wanted them to learn and dident really cared what they wanted so most of them ended up quiting playing guitar......

Really Really bad story there Conrad hope you can learn them some more stuff

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post Sep 17 2009, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (Conrad Harpham @ Sep 17 2009, 01:33 PM) *
Whe you think what they could have leart in 4 years...Whilst a good teacher can make you, a bad one can break you!

I couldn't agree more!!!

I actually lived it. A bad teacher made me give up electric guitar in only 3 months... mad.gif All my motivation was gone.
7 years later I decided to empty my pocket and go to the best guitar school in the town (one of the best in Brazil). WoW. What a difference. From day one I was just thinking that's what I should have done... 7 years before
I only left the school cause I moved abroad. But that's when I found GMC smile.gif

The good side is that these students are in good hands now wink.gif

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post Sep 17 2009, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Gus @ Sep 17 2009, 10:47 PM) *
I couldn't agree more!!!

I actually lived it. A bad teacher made me give up electric guitar in only 3 months... mad.gif All my motivation was gone.
7 years later I decided to empty my pocket and go to the best guitar school in the town (one of the best in Brazil). WoW. What a difference. From day one I was just thinking that's what I should have done... 7 years before
I only left the school cause I moved abroad. But that's when I found GMC smile.gif

The good side is that these students are in good hands now wink.gif

Thanks mate - glad you found the best school for you!


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post Sep 18 2009, 09:05 AM
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I know sometimes is hard, but try to think positive always and just get those kids up and running. There will be always people who are slackers and not do their job right, and those who don't mind going the extra mile if it is worth it.

EDIT: The world is progressing because of the second group ofc wink.gif

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