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post Sep 29 2009, 12:37 PM
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Hey guys, I'm really old school but I just got a new computer and would like to use it to record my music.

Here's what I want to do. Record my amp via a Microphone (not modeling software) with drum tracks and add vocals to it. Mix it all down and burn it to a CD.

I don't have a lot of money to spend so I'm looking for a affordable way to do this. Any help would be great as I'm ignorant of how to do this. Thanks, oh I'm running a windows platform computer.

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post Sep 29 2009, 01:07 PM
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You need a soundcard with low latency (I recommend EMU), microphone (Shure SM 57 or 58 is what I recommend) and a recording software (like Cubase, Sonar, Reaper...). The cheapest you can get it all is about $400.


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post Sep 29 2009, 01:21 PM
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It's a bit tricky to mic the cab and make it sound right without treated room, but you can do it. As Emir said you need a good audio card, I also recommend EMU, 0404USB will do the job nicely, and it has very decent preamps built in. You need SM57 for micing the cab, and SM57 can be used for vocals as well if you are tight on the budget.

Drums can be programmed, and there are EZDrummer and Addictive Drums in the low price category, and BFD and Superior Drummer 2 in the high price category.


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post Sep 29 2009, 10:34 PM
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You will need a recording interface. I can recommend line6 ux2 (POD studio ux2) which is one I use for all my home recording needs. Its really versatile and what is good about it is that it comes with a modeling software so if you don't like miced sound you can go directly to the interface and use modeling. It has 2 mic inputs (preamps) and you can record vocals and other stuff too with it (it has phantom power too). Great Mic for recording guitars is Shure SM57. You will need a recording software , you can use free one - Reaper ( http://www.reaper.fm/ ).

Hope this helps, ask if you have any further questions.

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Just as an old school alternative. A digital portable studio with XLR input for a mike. A built in drum machine and a CD burner.
More difficult to edit, move, paste compared to a PC and you're stuck with the effects etc that come inside. But it's an alternative.

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post Sep 29 2009, 11:13 PM
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I agree with the others, a good low latency sound card is essential & the Shure SM57 would also be the mic of choice for me. But I also agree that it can be tricky to record a good sounding Guitar like that if you don't have a proper room. I don't know what kind of sound you are aiming at, but for example high gain amps tend to sound bad when they are not turned up, and a screaming Rectifier is not really meant to be played in a living room, so for home recordings modeling amps are definitely an option.


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post Sep 30 2009, 02:52 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 29 2009, 07:21 AM) *
It's a bit tricky to mic the cab and make it sound right without treated room, but you can do it. As Emir said you need a good audio card, I also recommend EMU, 0404USB will do the job nicely, and it has very decent preamps built in. You need SM57 for micing the cab, and SM57 can be used for vocals as well if you are tight on the budget.

Drums can be programmed, and there are EZDrummer and Addictive Drums in the low price category, and BFD and Superior Drummer 2 in the high price category.


Thanks, I have a sm57 mike. I guess I'm looking for the interface and software. I'll check on the EZDrummer.


QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Sep 29 2009, 04:34 PM) *
You will need a recording interface. I can recommend line6 ux2 (POD studio ux2) which is one I use for all my home recording needs. Its really versatile and what is good about it is that it comes with a modeling software so if you don't like miced sound you can go directly to the interface and use modeling. It has 2 mic inputs (preamps) and you can record vocals and other stuff too with it (it has phantom power too). Great Mic for recording guitars is Shure SM57. You will need a recording software , you can use free one - Reaper ( http://www.reaper.fm/ ).

Hope this helps, ask if you have any further questions.

Cheers

I've got the mike, I'm really looking for the interface of the mike with the computer. I understand the line 6 equipment isn't bad I'm just not looking for the modeling part of it and was wondering if you can get a interface (external sound card I'm assuming) without all the bells and whistles.



QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 29 2009, 04:50 PM) *
Just as an old school alternative. A digital portable studio with XLR input for a mike. A built in drum machine and a CD burner.
More difficult to edit, move, paste compared to a PC and you're stuck with the effects etc that come inside. But it's an alternative.

Zoom HD8CD


I actually have a boss BR-600. However, the interface is complicated and I was thinking modern software would make my recording more enjoyable.


QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 29 2009, 05:13 PM) *
I agree with the others, a good low latency sound card is essential & the Shure SM57 would also be the mic of choice for me. But I also agree that it can be tricky to record a good sounding Guitar like that if you don't have a proper room. I don't know what kind of sound you are aiming at, but for example high gain amps tend to sound bad when they are not turned up, and a screaming Rectifier is not really meant to be played in a living room, so for home recordings modeling amps are definitely an option.


Got the mike and the Marshalls. Just trying to figure out the best way to hook my computer to the whole recording thing. I've got a Boss BR-600 but the interface is beyond me. I understand the room characteristics and all that. It's the new technology that's got me confused. Software, interfaces, USB etc.

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post Sep 30 2009, 10:29 AM
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If you're recording only one instrument at a time you maybe should aim for an external USB sound interface with one XLR input and one instrument input is always good to have enen if you plan to mike (the XLR/instrument come as combo aswell)

Headphone output so you can listen while you record. Outs for monitors could be something to have aswell.

Mike into XLR -> your computer via USB -> Reaper with ASIO sound driver.
Try to keep the amp is a confided compartment, you wouldn't belive how easy kids play or a bypassing car gets picked up.

Look for a soundinterface with
- one XLR and one instrument (or a combo)
- headphones jack
- 24bit/96kHz

possible addons that will work your way in the future
- MIDI in/out
- S/PDIF
- Monitor out

I'm a sound interface nobody myself but that are what I'd look for in your case.


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post Sep 30 2009, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 30 2009, 04:29 AM) *
If you're recording only one instrument at a time you maybe should aim for an external USB sound interface with one XLR input and one instrument input is always good to have enen if you plan to mike (the XLR/instrument come as combo aswell)

Headphone output so you can listen while you record. Outs for monitors could be something to have aswell.

Mike into XLR -> your computer via USB -> Reaper with ASIO sound driver.
Try to keep the amp is a confided compartment, you wouldn't belive how easy kids play or a bypassing car gets picked up.

Look for a soundinterface with
- one XLR and one instrument (or a combo)
- headphones jack
- 24bit/96kHz

possible addons that will work your way in the future
- MIDI in/out
- S/PDIF
- Monitor out

I'm a sound interface nobody myself but that are what I'd look for in your case.


Thanks I'll check it out. Anybody have any experience with the Line 6 tone ports. I think they are a sound interface if I'm not correct? Wouldn't connection via USB be better than using a computers sound card?

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What's your budget for the interface? If you want to make a good recording, I would advise to get a bit better sound card, something like EMU0404USB. Toneport is good but 0404 is better.


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post Oct 1 2009, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Sep 30 2009, 03:27 PM) *
What's your budget for the interface? If you want to make a good recording, I would advise to get a bit better sound card, something like EMU0404USB. Toneport is good but 0404 is better.


Not much, I'm not looking for anything fancy I just want to be able to record myself for practice on my computer with backing drum tracks etc.

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POD Studio will do the job, but as I said, you will have greater quality with the EMU, and greater comfort. The card has low ASIO latency.


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