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post Sep 30 2009, 12:20 AM
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Hi GMC,

Another REC announcement here updating you on the changes that will be taking place. We feel and hope you will find these changes for the better. smile.gif

First off, we would like you to keep doing as you are with uploads and detailing you equipment but we would also like you to create a poll with numbers 1-10. No need for anything other than numbers.

This poll is going to be used by the Instructors for grading and scoring purposes. No longer will they be looking for only 4 or 5 areas of your playing, just an overall impression of how well you captured the lesson. (1 being not even close to 10 being spot on)

Once you have opened your topic, with a poll, I will then move the thread to a top secret location within GMC where only Instructors will have access. As the Instructors grade the lessons (min 3) I will average them and move them back to the REC board where you will see your score and be able to read the comments. smile.gif

We think that by doing things this way, one certain area such as posture will not hurt a well played attempt and by the same token, great tone does not influence a poorly played attempt.

I hope all of you will like this new process as we will keep tweaking it til its perfect!

For those that have lessons awaiting grades now, I will began moving them shortly and adding the poll so need to do anything with those.

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Steve (skennington)

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post Sep 30 2009, 12:34 AM
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Sounds very good! Looking forward to see it in action biggrin.gif

Edit: I so miss/want to see a ladder system though, with points generated by difficulty of lesson x % of success. And points build on top of each other. That way you wont lose anything by doing a lower difficulty lesson (now you lose average difficulty). And you get this competition about being on the top of the ladder etc. smile.gif
All in due time I suppose.

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post Sep 30 2009, 12:35 AM
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thats actually great, when grading publicaly, few people will have the heart to give someone a fail or maybe comment badly on someones playing, but where would the word feedback go? i mean thats the most important thing no?

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post Sep 30 2009, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE (vampire18 @ Sep 29 2009, 07:35 PM) *
but where would the word feedback go? i mean thats the most important thing no?


Once the thread is moved back to the REC Board, you will then be able to see all comments and feedback. smile.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 12:50 AM
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Interesting. It seems like more administrative overhead. Does this mean, that submissions to the REC program will have more detailed comments/feedback, with less specific grading criteria?


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post Sep 30 2009, 12:51 AM
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This is great, makes perfect sense. Can't wait to grade some REC videos! smile.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 01:39 AM
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What if my polls go to eleven? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Just kidding of course. smile.gif
I'm not 100% sure I see the benefit of moving the submittals to another location for grading unless it's to keep members from voting? With a scale of 1-10, what constitutes a passing grade? Also, I like the ratings system you've got now, the harder lessons are much more difficult to pull off and it's very cool to strive for new levels to me. If I can get five level 6s up there, it means a lot more than even say doing 20 level 3s (for example).

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post Sep 30 2009, 01:46 AM
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Not quit sure I understand the part about creating a poll. Does this mean that we create our own poll of things that we want to be graded on? I feel kinda silly asking this question but I read your post twice and I still am not sure what you mean when it comes to the poll.... huh.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Sep 29 2009, 07:50 PM) *
Interesting. It seems like more administrative overhead. Does this mean, that submissions to the REC program will have more detailed comments/feedback, with less specific grading criteria?


We hope so, and no worries on the admin part, I'm taking care of that free of charge. wink.gif


QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 29 2009, 08:39 PM) *
What if my polls go to eleven? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Just kidding of course. smile.gif
I'm not 100% sure I see the benefit of moving the submittals to another location for grading unless it's to keep members from voting? With a scale of 1-10, what constitutes a passing grade? Also, I like the ratings system you've got now, the harder lessons are much more difficult to pull off and it's very cool to strive for new levels to me. If I can get five level 6s up there, it means a lot more than even say doing 20 level 3s (for example).

Just my 2c.


The idea Jim is to open up the grading for the Instructors on an individual basis. By using a poll, each of them will be giving there objective opinion without the influence of knowing what the previous Instructor voted.

The passing average will still be 75% or now, 7.5

Example:

Instructor 1 (5)
Instructor 2 (7)
Instructor 3 (6)
Instructor 4 (10)
Instructor 5 (3)

Average 6.2 (This would be a failing grade)


Of course, the grades should not be that far apart but just to give you an idea. smile.gif

QUOTE (Fingerspasm @ Sep 29 2009, 08:46 PM) *
Not quit sure I understand the part about creating a poll. Does this mean that we create our own poll of things that we want to be graded on? I feel kinda silly asking this question but I read your post twice and I still am not sure what you mean when it comes to the poll.... huh.gif


Hey man, just create a poll with the title and content being "Grade/Score" and the title of your upload

Just add a 1-10 for the "Multiple Choice Questions"

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post Sep 30 2009, 02:02 AM
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It sure sounds like a great improvement with more objective evaluation by the instructors. Each has a unique perspective that can be given more free rein when not aware of prior evaluations. More weight can be given to whatever category they deem appropriate for the particular submission under question. It can only mean more valuable comments and feedback for the student.

Well done all involved! smile.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 02:47 AM
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It's not a pole, it's a POLL.


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post Sep 30 2009, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE (Sollesnes @ Sep 29 2009, 07:34 PM) *
Sounds very good! Looking forward to see it in action biggrin.gif

That way you wont lose anything by doing a lower difficulty lesson (now you lose average difficulty).


You won't after you reach 5 passed submissions. We only average your 5 highest grades. So for example, if you have 5 level 8's and wanted to do a level 1, that level 1 would not hurt you at all and will add to your "experience Level" on the scoreboard. smile.gif

QUOTE (jdriver @ Sep 29 2009, 09:47 PM) *
It's not a pole, it's a POLL.


Huh? unsure.gif laugh.gif Nice of you to point that out man, sure added a lot to the discussion. wink.gif

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post Sep 30 2009, 07:43 AM
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As long as we have good feedbacks that will replace the detailed ratings, I'll be happy. smile.gif
Thanks for the change and I hope the added work won't break you.

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post Sep 30 2009, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 30 2009, 02:39 AM) *
What if my polls go to eleven? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Well it either means that you are insanely good, or a cheater... ph34r.gif

No seriously - we have discussed these REC changes for a while, and we believe this new way of grading will make the grades at REC more fair - also we want to make sure we keep a high standard. So that REC submissions that pass, really are good.

You can expect us to gradually make these kind of changes to all GMC programs - the idea is to learn from experience and constantly try to improve our features... Thanks for your patience with us!



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post Sep 30 2009, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 30 2009, 09:43 AM) *
Well it either means that you are insanely good, or a cheater... ph34r.gif

No seriously - we have discussed these REC changes for a while, and we believe this new way of grading will make the grades at REC more fair - also we want to make sure we keep a high standard. So that REC submissions that pass, really are good.

You can expect us to gradually make these kind of changes to all GMC programs - the idea is to learn from experience and constantly try to improve our features... Thanks for your patience with us!


Cool... I actually only got the guts to submit recently but seems like a cool way smile.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 09:13 AM
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Hello,

I´ve seen than all the submits since 20th september have been deleted. Do we all people who have submit a lesson do it again?

How do I create a poll?

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post Sep 30 2009, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE (josuegda @ Sep 30 2009, 10:13 AM) *
Hello,

I´ve seen than all the submits since 20th september have been deleted. Do we all people who have submit a lesson do it again?

How do I create a poll?

Thank you.


Nothing is deleted - the threads have just been moved to the secret board, they will be moved back to the open board once graded.

Thanks for asking though - we should definitely make this clear so that people don't think we delete anything! smile.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Sep 30 2009, 03:02 AM) *
It sure sounds like a great improvement with more objective evaluation by the instructors. Each has a unique perspective that can be given more free rein when not aware of prior evaluations. More weight can be given to whatever category they deem appropriate for the particular submission under question. It can only mean more valuable comments and feedback for the student.

Well done all involved! smile.gif

Spot on! I think this will be a system more fair to both the students and the instructors,

QUOTE (josuegda @ Sep 30 2009, 10:13 AM) *
How do I create a poll?


When you add a reply do this. Above the text and items menu there's a selection; Click hete to manage poll

Click it and enter a title, the name of the lesson is suitable

Click - Add Poll question - and enter title, the name of the lesson is suitable

Click - Add Poll choice - and enter the grades. This means you have to repeat this for grades 1 through 10.
One by one, enter '1', then Add Poll Choice and enter '2' and so forth


Then you're ready to go, and remember to post your video and text before you sumbit your REC post.


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post Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (JamesT @ Sep 30 2009, 02:39 AM) *
What if my polls go to eleven? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


ahaha laugh.gif
Saw that one coming biggrin.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 03:57 PM
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Sounds good to me smile.gif

I'll be happy to wiki it all once the new graded lessons start arriving, as usual wink.gif

QUOTE (Sollesnes @ Sep 30 2009, 01:34 AM) *
Edit: I so miss/want to see a ladder system though, with points generated by difficulty of lesson x % of success. And points build on top of each other. That way you wont lose anything by doing a lower difficulty lesson (now you lose average difficulty). And you get this competition about being on the top of the ladder etc. smile.gif
All in due time I suppose.


Actually, you don't lose anything as it is now by doing a lower difficulty lesson, as only the 5 highest graded lessons count towards your Level Title.

Plus the Exp. Title always gets better the more lessons you pass.

Of course if you are below 5 lessons passed it all affects, but that's because the system is meant to reflect your skill once you have uploaded a few lessons, the more the better.

So, once you've uploaded 5 lessons, all you upload will always increase your scores/titles, but never drag you down smile.gif

Here's the ladder:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/inde...REC_Score_Board


Hope that helps/clarifies your doubts smile.gif

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