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post Oct 3 2009, 06:17 PM
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Hi there!

The brother of my wife had his birthday a few days ago and we were on the search for a present. Since he is a guitar player we went to the local guitar shop and asked for some small things we could add up for a big present. smile.gif The shop owner gave us some stuff and a thing called "grip master"

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I instantly knew i need one of those too. Come at about 15 Euro here.

It basically is a spring supported tool for training the muscles in your forearm. I am using it for three days now and i can already see an increase in strength and independency in my fingers. The brand is "prohands" and they offer a variety of exercises on their homepage where you can buy these things too. There are many different sizes and tension levels but i was told the red one "medium" was the only one with a good balanced resistance, the others are either too strong or too weak.

It seems to be perfect for train rides or boring stuff where you have to sit for hours and have no oppurtunity to get your guitar out and practise. Its reasonably smaller than a guitar too. smile.gif

Well, i like it, and i wanted to tell it to you what i have done with this posting. And btw. i dont get anything for promoting this thing here smile.gif


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post Oct 3 2009, 07:39 PM
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I have one of those, but I still prefer my shredneck when I'm on vacation away from my guitars as it helps maintaining the fingertip callus & allows to practice scale runs.



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post Oct 3 2009, 09:11 PM
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I ad it in my hand, it doesn't feel very comfortable. I am not sure if those springs will last long!


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post Oct 3 2009, 09:27 PM
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as far is i know, music shops sell more of them to nordic walkers to train their hand than to guitar players wink.gif

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post Oct 3 2009, 09:30 PM
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I have two issues with these devices:

1. The springs become creaky/squeeky and eventually a spouse or co-habitant will complain during use.
2. Gerardo Siere pointed out quite smartly that one constant goal is lessening our grip on the instrument.

I suppose if you truly don't have enough grip to lessen, these would be useful. Seems you could just do curls with a litre of springwater and work the same muscle group that lies at the end of the same tendons... right?



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post Oct 3 2009, 09:51 PM
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I think its a good thing since you have to have good control over your muscles to actually loosen your grip smile.gif If it gets squeaky or the tension of the springs will fade i will post it here and return the thing to the shop smile.gif

And take a look at the exercises on the prohands homepage, you can train different muscles and parts of muscles with this thing. And it is way smaller than a shredneck, try taking a shredneck in your pocket with you smile.gif I think of it more as an addition not as a unique solution...

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post Oct 3 2009, 10:36 PM
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I bought one of those in 1994, I remember..
It was my 2nd year of playing guitar, I was a senior in High School...
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post Oct 3 2009, 10:49 PM
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I bought one of the originals way back when also there David! wink.gif My biggest issue with it is how uncomfortable it is to use on the palm itself. The later versions are better moulded like the one pictured at the head of the topic.


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post Oct 3 2009, 11:54 PM
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Here's how to increase grip strength:

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFi...pVariations.mov
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post Oct 4 2009, 12:53 AM
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But a whole building with a suitable pipe and a towel dont fit in your pocket smile.gif


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post Oct 4 2009, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE (VictorUK @ Oct 4 2009, 02:53 AM) *
hmm i dont see why a guitarist would need this, since very little strength is needed to play guitar..


That depends, but I would say that the microforces involved in using this device are different than the ones that need to be applied when playing various things on the neck.


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post Oct 4 2009, 11:12 AM
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I experienced this by myself: I had problems using my pinkie, it was just o weak and uncontrolled, by using this thing i build up more strength and control in just a few days. So my personal opinion is that u need a certain strength to play controlled and without much pressure.


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post Oct 4 2009, 12:38 PM
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The whole misconception about building strength is that it is all about tension. It works at both ends of the spectrum. The stronger you are the more relaxed you can be. Tension. Relaxation. Both require training. So the whole point is maximal tension followed by maximal relaxation. Building grip strength is not a completely pointless exercise for playing the guitar. Even so, training the exact same muscles used as in playing is not really such a good idea either as it would introduce an imbalance. Therefore, isolation tools (like the Grip Master) are fine but one would be better served with something else. For instance, towel pull-ups as methodseeker suggests or just plain pull-ups. Your grip fails long before anything else and you don't have to do many to get the benefit.

[EDIT] >> To put it in another way, it is developing one's reserve or residual muscle tension. The less residual muscle tension or the more reserve you have, the less effort expended in menial tasks including playing the guitar ...

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post Oct 4 2009, 12:40 PM
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I don't really believe in this thing. The strenght in playing is coming with guitar practicing not with body building smile.gif


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post Oct 4 2009, 12:48 PM
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Neither do I, Emir! smile.gif That is why I just posted what I did ... Even so, there is merit in developing one's grip strength in other ways. A marathon runner doesn't train by running marathons. Same principle applies to everything else.


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post Oct 4 2009, 01:56 PM
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I agree that this should not be the only way to train your fingers, but i think its something you can have in your pockets when you dont have room for a whole guitar smile.gif


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Hey, maybe that's my problem. I'm hanging onto my guitar like I'm hanging from a cliff!



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post Oct 4 2009, 03:45 PM
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Loosen that death grip. I assure you you won't plunge to an untimely demise ... smile.gif


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post Oct 4 2009, 04:20 PM
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I think it is better to play a lot of scales
This is a good exercise for ear, hand coordination and brain.


I would rather practice 10 min a day on this lesson GMC Hand synchronization that with this.


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post Oct 4 2009, 04:50 PM
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Thats all true, but i think it still is good for the situations where you dont have a guitar at hand like in a train or somewhere else... smile.gif It cant replace training scales and stuff...


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