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Bogdan Radovic
post Mar 10 2010, 10:06 PM
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Thanks for info! Gonna check em out! smile.gif

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BBE have two new tools to complement the D82 Sonic Maximizer. They are the H82 Harmonic Maximizer and L82 Loudness Maximizer. All 3 are offered together as the BBE Sound Sweet. Legit owners of the D82 can upgrade to the Sweet for US$50.

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post May 31 2010, 10:37 PM
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This pedal for a long time collecting dust in my closet. I tried to fix some sound through it, but finally result was inconclusive, always .

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Bogdan Radovic
post Jun 1 2010, 12:22 AM
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I'm still looking to test one out in local stores. Really wonder how it does on bass smile.gif
Hope they'll show up in stores soon...


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post Jun 1 2010, 12:26 AM
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I don't trust these "magic" pedals, but who knows, they might sugar up things a bit biggrin.gif


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post Jun 1 2010, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jun 1 2010, 01:26 AM) *
I don't trust these "magic" pedals, but who knows, they might sugar up things a bit biggrin.gif


This is why I find it as interesting option. It can fatten up sound by manipulating low and high frequencies and from what I heard it makes the output sound clearer and glassy top. I think (can't know for sure until I try it) that it could do a great job for those mid scooped slap sounds on bass and many amps I play on don't have that option (shape filter) on board. It could also just work as a slap sound booster pedal - making it have bigger bottom and snappy highs.... That is for what I would like to use it anyway... Hope it will arrive in stores to try it out...


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post Jun 1 2010, 12:52 AM
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I just hope the bass doesn't loose it's definition from all those mid scooping, and turns into boomy clicking. But it would be interesting to try it..


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post Jun 1 2010, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jun 1 2010, 01:52 AM) *
I just hope the bass doesn't loose it's definition from all those mid scooping, and turns into boomy clicking. But it would be interesting to try it..


Yeah I also think it wouldn't be much useful for finger style playing...But it should work for slap sound as it because of the nature of technique - never lacks more bottom (and high end sizzle). smile.gif

Then in theory you can dial in good defined finger style sound on the amp itself and use the pedal for scooping and getting the good slap sound when its needed. Other way would be to make either compromise between good slap and good finger style sound and play with that or as some amps feature - use foot-switch for engaging the shape filer (if amp has one).

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post Jun 1 2010, 05:52 AM
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The Sonic Stomp doesn't scoop mids. When frequencies pass through a speaker the ranges are delayed, which means different frequencies reach the ears at different times resulting in a muddier tone than the instrument naturally produces. The Sonic Stomp adjusts the delaying so that the frequencies reach a listener's ears at the same time or across a spectrum of tightness from no affect through to simultaneity.

To be clear, it does not adjust the tone or EQ at all. It adjusts the timing of how frequency ranges reach a listener.


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post Jun 1 2010, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE (OzRob @ Jun 1 2010, 06:52 AM) *
The Sonic Stomp doesn't scoop mids. When frequencies pass through a speaker the ranges are delayed, which means different frequencies reach the ears at different times resulting in a muddier tone than the instrument naturally produces. The Sonic Stomp adjusts the delaying so that the frequencies reach a listener's ears at the same time or across a spectrum of tightness from no affect through to simultaneity.

To be clear, it does not adjust the tone or EQ at all. It adjusts the timing of how frequency ranges reach a listener.


I knew about that frequencies shift it does to make sound clear, but it does have two knobs for low and high frequencies and boosting them (at least in videos I seen) has effect similar to the scoop mids sound. Its not actually doing scooping I know but I could use it for making slap sound fatter by increasing low end right?


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post Jun 1 2010, 12:56 PM
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Bogdan,

It will make your low end sound fatter, but the controls aren't exactly Hi and Low. One does control the low end, but the other one controls the overall phase delay processing.


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post Jun 1 2010, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (OzRob @ Jun 1 2010, 01:56 PM) *
Bogdan,

It will make your low end sound fatter, but the controls aren't exactly Hi and Low. One does control the low end, but the other one controls the overall phase delay processing.


I see... Thanks a lot for clarification about how the pedal works! I haven't had the chance to test it out myself.. smile.gif


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post Jun 1 2010, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (OzRob @ Jun 1 2010, 01:56 PM) *
Bogdan,

It will make your low end sound fatter, but the controls aren't exactly Hi and Low. One does control the low end, but the other one controls the overall phase delay processing.


This is very interesting. In addition to this, fatter isn't always better, because once you get a boomy bass sound, there is no definition in it and it will only resonate in unpleasant way. It's pretty hard to control anything out of this pedal in terms of boosting/cutting low frequencies, and one can indeed ask why anybody would ever wanna do that (next to the controls on the bass and controls on the amp).


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post Jun 1 2010, 01:48 PM
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Apologies as I may be repeating what I said on a different thread...

Overall I agree with Ivan here.

I think if you only use this device in a live situation either on an instrument or on a PA then it may have benefit. If you record with it I would be careful and I would suggest that at most it is only used on single instruments and never on the 2 bus. It's essentially a phase distortion device and to me anything that introduces phase shifts needs to be used sparingly and carefully or it has the potential to mess up the coherence of the audio and may introduce some quite nasty and audible artifacts.

I'd also add that the whole idea of phase shifting high and low frequencies to 'account' for speaker issues in terms of PA and recording (rather than a single instrument live) ignores that speakers vary from model to model. As such something that generalises where the X-over is and how much speaker cone alignment may be needed and which just presumes that all speakers whether they are bass or tweeters are front firing in a closed box is simplistic. Not all speakers are closed box, X-over points vary, not all are front firing on-axis. Well designed speakers will have been designed and manufactured to account for phase and tonal balance. Personally I'd suggest that if you have an issue with the sound of your PA or recording/mixing speakers you need to correct that by better room acoustics, placement and perhaps a change of speaker.

All that being said for a single instrument as I think Rob intends then maybe it can work for you...



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post Jun 2 2010, 03:41 AM
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IMO, it's simple. Try the pedal, if it adds something valuable enough to buy it, then do so. If not, then don't.

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post Jun 2 2010, 08:03 AM
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Thanks for the review smile.gif I've been using a BBE 362 Rack Mounted Sonic Maximizer for a while. I love the thing. Very handy. I only use it for live recording typically. If I go direct and use software, I'll use OZONE and AMPLITUDE. It's a very handy plugin too, I"d like to add it.


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