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post Oct 11 2009, 02:02 PM
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Hi all

Would i be correct in saying that the A Ionian major Scale is the same as the F# Aeolian Minor Scale.

They seem to have identical patterns , just in a different position on the fretboard

So really now i got the minor scale pattern its just a case of moving it around to play a major scale.

so For example to play the A major scale , i play the same patterns as the A minor just starting from the F#

help much appreciated.
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post Oct 11 2009, 02:12 PM
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You're right, but they also have different root note. Check out some scale chart and you will see what I mean. smile.gif


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post Oct 11 2009, 04:29 PM
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It sounds like youve just had your first "mode" moment mate! Essentially all the modes are derived from the major scale, so in theory if you can play the major scale right across the fretboard then you can play all the modes, including of course Aeolian (or minor). The trick is in accenting the right notes of the major scale to fit the progression you are playing over.
If you dont already know it (Sorry if you do!) then learn the major scale 3 notes per string pattern say you were playing in G you would start on the G note (Obviously!) but if you play the same pattern but start on the A (A whole tone up) then in essence you are playing the A dorian scale (Dont move the whole pattern, play the same pattern in the same position but start on the A note!), which is a minor scale, just remeber to finish the whole octave for the full dorian effect.
Try Ivans modes workshop series lessons, I found that very helpful and also anything on pitch axis theory is a good tool for understanding modes. smile.gif

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post Oct 11 2009, 05:12 PM
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Wow.. was just watching these videos. smile.gif





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post Oct 11 2009, 08:11 PM
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YEah, that's correct..
However, even though this seems like a shortcut, it might actually be more beneficial to not use this and just memorize each pattern as a unique new one.
It will gain you loads of time later when improvising with modes as you won't have to spend that tiem making the conversion for all those shortcuts in your mind...


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post Oct 11 2009, 08:27 PM
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post Oct 11 2009, 08:40 PM
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You are correct. For more details I suggest you spend some time reading the modes theory. It will clarify the meaning and function of modes quite a bit.

I also agree with David who suggested that you memorize each pattern as a separate scale and where it is on the fretboard. It will take some time to do this, but after you do it, it will pay of drastically in your playing.


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post Oct 11 2009, 11:25 PM
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Thanks very much for the advice.

Going to learn each pattern individually.

I really feel like i have reached a breakthrough in my playing.
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post Oct 12 2009, 04:56 AM
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That's great to hear!
Let us know if you need anything!


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post Oct 12 2009, 07:07 AM
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Those patterns will repeat in your playing over and over,
you just have to speak of different root as you play different mode.
Yeah, it will appear in ALL 7 modes, not just Ionian and Aeolian. smile.gif


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post Oct 12 2009, 07:44 AM
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For me, this is more of what is working.. I do not know all by heart yet (not even major / minor scales) but given sometime, I can trace them out.

Learn Major and Minor scales first (great if you can indeed learn by heart, CAGED system and linking them all). Follow this thread where Emir is showing Dexxter about linking major scales all over the neck.

Don't worry at all about modes (nor any other scales) at the moment. I would just focus on 1 scale ( 1 key?) Once you can get your fingers remember the positions properly, other keys are just shifting those positions here and there. Then, do the same with minor scale. After that try modes. Most of the time its just one note flatted or sharped with respect to major/minor scales. It should be lot easier that way. Thats what I am doing. smile.gif

But again, if you can learn everything by heart.. thats perfect. As Joe Satriani said, knowing all the scales by heart is the BORDER line of becoming a good player / musician. smile.gif


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