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post Oct 16 2009, 11:35 AM
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I must disagree with you there Muris, at young age the learning process goes very quick.
How older you get, the harder it is to learn something new. That's also the reason why guitarists who started young can shred blazing fast when they're about 20 years old. That said, it is not totally impossible to learn to shred at age 60, but it requires a lot more work.


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Muris Varajic
post Oct 16 2009, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (djohnneay @ Oct 16 2009, 12:35 PM) *
I must disagree with you there Muris, at young age the learning process goes very quick.
How older you get, the harder it is to learn something new. That's also the reason why guitarists who started young can shred blazing fast when they're about 20 years old. That said, it is not totally impossible to learn to shred at age 60, but it requires a lot more work.

Of course, sooner you start the better, I can't disagree on that!
I was just saying that people shouldn't feel bad or deserted for not starting THAT young,
tho I never mentioned age of 60, I was thinking more of 12-18. smile.gif


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post Oct 16 2009, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 16 2009, 01:23 PM) *
Of course, sooner you start the better, I can't disagree on that!
I was just saying that people shouldn't feel bad or deserted for not starting THAT young,
tho I never mentioned age of 60, I was thinking more of 12-18. smile.gif


Yeah I thought so, but just to prove my point tongue.gif
I've been banging my head against the wall along time for not starting earlier to learn guitar, but there is nothing I can do about that now, except practice practice practice.


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Muris Varajic
post Oct 16 2009, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (djohnneay @ Oct 16 2009, 03:10 PM) *
Yeah I thought so, but just to prove my point tongue.gif
I've been banging my head against the wall along time for not starting earlier to learn guitar, but there is nothing I can do about that now, except practice practice practice.


Practice it is! smile.gif


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post Oct 16 2009, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Oct 15 2009, 01:52 PM) *
You have to know the scale patterns (and arpeggio patterns over them) inside out - that is the beginning.


Are there any diagrams showing the arpeggio patterns for pentatonic & minor scale?
Or any lesson you recommend I should look into?




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QUOTE (Fran @ Oct 16 2009, 04:52 PM) *
Are there any diagrams showing the arpeggio patterns for pentatonic & minor scale?
Or any lesson you recommend I should look into?

There is one tiny problem with pentatonic tho,
it offers only 2 triads. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 16 2009, 05:27 PM) *
There is one tiny problem with pentatonic tho,
it offers only 2 triads. smile.gif


AaaaHHhH.
##Goes off to research about triads## laugh.gif

I really need to improve my theory knowledge here smile.gif Not really know what triads are although I keep hearing about them here and there. And I know there are a few lessons on triads!

The thing is after learning all penta/minor scale positions I focused on learning lessons/full songs, and I'm having a blast. Just practicing all the lessons & songs day after day so that I don't forget them, and learn a new one now and then, "eats" my time smile.gif

But I'm really interested in arpeggios, something tells me they are key to improvise well. cool.gif
I mean, I already know a bit about them, but would like to find some schematics like the ones I used to learn scale "cages" positions, to incorportae them in my practice routine. I always run scale cages as a warm-up.


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post Oct 16 2009, 04:42 PM
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Triads are most simply chords made of 3 notes, root, 3rd and 5th.
If you take a look at Am penta per example
you'll find only Am triad (A, C and E) and C major triad (C, E and G).
Diatonic scales like major, minor and modes offer 7 triads plus all extended ones like
7th chords, 9th chords etc.
Within Am pentatonic you do have one 7th chords tho, Am7 (A, C, E and G) but that's all.
So what I would suggest you until you get some diagrams for arpeggio shapes
is to find out notes for all triads within certain scale (am scale per example)
and locate those notes on fretboard step by step.
This is also a good exercise to get more familiar with fretboard knowledge which has been
discussed in another topic in this board
plus you get to feel many heureka moments as you discover new shapes,
you'll find all shapes on your own if you simply look for specific notes. smile.gif


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I see. Time to print a BIG fretboard diagram them and stick it to the wall! wink.gif


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QUOTE (Fran @ Oct 16 2009, 05:59 PM) *
I see. Time to print a BIG fretboard diagram them and stick it to the wall! wink.gif


Sounds like a plan, go for it! smile.gif


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I use a technique which works with triad from 3 simple chords (E, A and D).

I have wrote a lesson on this subject
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=31321

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post Oct 19 2009, 08:42 PM
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The way i learned all my notes was first to learn the bottom E and A string,as you do when you start learning bar chords and moveable scale shapes...i then visualised all my octaves, 2 strings and 2 frets up. That left the top E, thats the same as the bottom E, that just left the B string!...but Muirs and Emir are right-it doesnt really help improvisation- thats more about knowing chord construction and scale shapes.


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Oct 15 2009, 01:32 PM) *
I think I would know every note if you tell me the fret and the string. I agree with Muris, I don't think of that when I improvise. I think of the shape not the full/half steps or note names. I just know which shape to use and it works for me

Same here, it might take me 2 seconds to come up with the note, depending on the time of day and the fact if I already had a coffee, but I also don't really think of notes when improvising.


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