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Darknodar123
post Oct 25 2009, 09:39 AM
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Hey guys!!!

I was watching Andrew's Cockburn beginner videos and I havent really understand the difference with scales and tabs.

Can you just scale up looking at a tab?


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post Oct 25 2009, 10:58 AM
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Tabs are used for guitar per example, to shows us where to fret etc.
On the other hand, scales are used in music in general,
we can play scales on every single instrument including guitar,
scale is a mix of couple of that gives us certain sound (minor scale, major scale, modes etc).
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:17 AM
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Yeh tabs are musical notation for guitars and they show us where to put our fingers. Scales are groups of notes that music is made of.
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 25 2009, 11:58 AM) *
Tabs are used for guitar per example, to shows us where to fret etc.
On the other hand, scales are used in music in general,
we can play scales on every single instrument including guitar,
scale is a mix of couple of that gives us certain sound (minor scale, major scale, modes etc).
Not sure if this explains something for you, let me know. smile.gif


Ok but as long as guitar is concerned does it have any difference.

I say that because tabs (imho) are easier to use.

I dont know about other instruments but regarding the guitar do you have any other possibilities in a scale and in a tab?


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (Darknodar123 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:18 AM) *
Ok but as long as guitar is concerned does it have any difference.

I say that because tabs (imho) are easier to use.

I dont know about other instruments but regarding the guitar do you have any other possibilities in a scale and in a tab?


A lot of difference. Scales aren't a method of transcribing music, tab is.
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Darknodar123 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:18 AM) *
Ok but as long as guitar is concerned does it have any difference.

I say that because tabs (imho) are easier to use.

I dont know about other instruments but regarding the guitar do you have any other possibilities in a scale and in a tab?


Tab are just a shortcuts, in a way.
People use tabs a lot without actually knowing what is it that they play.
I would still learn more about scales and music theory in general
so you could upgrade your composing and improvising skills,
without knowing theory you get very limited...

What possibilities are you referring to?


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 25 2009, 12:23 PM) *
Tab are just a shortcuts, in a way.
People use tabs a lot without actually knowing what is it that they play.
I would still learn more about scales and music theory in general
so you could upgrade your composing and improvising skills,
without knowing theory you get very limited...

What possibilities are you referring to?


By possibilities I dont know exactly what you mean.

I just started playing the guitar and Im now watching the beginner videos.There those videos explain the use of tabs and scales.

Dont know if that was the answer you were looking for smile.gif


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:31 AM
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I think Muris was reffering to when you said.
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Darknodar123 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:18 PM) *
I dont know about other instruments but regarding the guitar do you have any other possibilities in a scale and in a tab?

QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:31 PM) *
I think Muris was reffering to when you said.



Oh yeah.Forgot about that.

Well I meant that(for ex) in a video lesson.I cant achieve it if I dont look at the scales?
Or I can if i just look at the tab?


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:38 AM
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What lesson are you talking about?
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:39 AM
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I actually meant every lesson in GMC.

In the main section they have the scales and in the Explaining videos (1,2,3,4) they have tabs.


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Darknodar123 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:39 AM) *
I actually meant every lesson in GMC.

In the main section they have the scales and in the Explaining videos (1,2,3,4) they have tabs.


The scales are the notes that the piece is made out of. The tabs are the order, fingering and rhythm that those notes are put in to make up the piece.
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 25 2009, 12:41 PM) *
The scales are the notes that the piece is made out of. The tabs are the order, fingering and rhythm that those notes are put in to make up the piece.


Ok thats the theory of each one.But the main question.

I need to look at both to achieve a lesson?(Any lesson)


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post Oct 25 2009, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (Darknodar123 @ Oct 25 2009, 11:42 AM) *
Ok thats the theory of each one.But the main question.

I need to look at both to achieve a lesson?(Any lesson)


No you just need the tab. The scale shapes are there to help you if you feel like jamming along to the backing. They don't tell you how to play the lesson.
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post Oct 25 2009, 11:46 AM
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Ok but anyway I will try to learn what exactly are scales and how you read them.

Cant look at half basics.May regret it afterwards


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post Oct 26 2009, 07:12 PM
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Yeah, tab or video in lesson will show you how to play a certain lesson.
Scale or scales used in lesson is part of theory behind,
it is there to help you understand what is it that you play theory wise.


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post Oct 26 2009, 08:30 PM
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There are some general labels that we use for all these things, and since you're just having problems distinguishing those labels, here are some short explanations:

scale (wiki quote: In music, a scale is a group of musical notes collected in ascending and descending order, that provides material for or is used to conveniently represent part or all of a musical work including melody and/or harmony. Scales are ordered in pitch or pitch class, with their ordering providing a measure of musical distance.

music score/sheet music - paper with rows of 5 parallel lines where you can write music using musical symbols: notes, rests, keys, sharps, flats etc.). Good thing about scores is that they are universal and any musician can read them, downside is that they are a bit impractical for beginners on stringed instruments.

tab - tabs are similar to scores, but they are more practical for use with stringed instruments as they show string lines. On those string lines there are numbers that tell exactly to place your finger on. This is more practical solution for beginners, as you know exactly where to place a finger. With scores, you cannot tell where to place the finger, because note doesn't contain that information (same note appears in more places on guitar then on piano for example). Downside is that tabs rarely contain rhythm information, so it is hard to read not durations (although guitar pro supports tabs with some basic rhythm info above the tab).

scale pattern - (showed in videos, and bellow main video of GMC lessons - it is a pattern or diagram of a scale that shows what notes on the fretboard are from that scale)


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post Oct 26 2009, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Oct 26 2009, 09:30 PM) *
There are some general labels that we use for all these things, and since you're just having problems distinguishing those labels, here are some short explanations:

scale (wiki quote: In music, a scale is a group of musical notes collected in ascending and descending order, that provides material for or is used to conveniently represent part or all of a musical work including melody and/or harmony. Scales are ordered in pitch or pitch class, with their ordering providing a measure of musical distance.

music score/sheet music - paper with rows of 5 parallel lines where you can write music using musical symbols: notes, rests, keys, sharps, flats etc.). Good thing about scores is that they are universal and any musician can read them, downside is that they are a bit impractical for beginners on stringed instruments.

tab - tabs are similar to scores, but they are more practical for use with stringed instruments as they show string lines. On those string lines there are numbers that tell exactly to place your finger on. This is more practical solution for beginners, as you know exactly where to place a finger. With scores, you cannot tell where to place the finger, because note doesn't contain that information (same note appears in more places on guitar then on piano for example). Downside is that tabs rarely contain rhythm information, so it is hard to read not durations (although guitar pro supports tabs with some basic rhythm info above the tab).

scale pattern - (showed in videos, and bellow main video of GMC lessons - it is a pattern or diagram of a scale that shows what notes on the fretboard are from that scale)



WOW!

Thats one hell of a reply.

Thanks Ill read it carefully biggrin.gif


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