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"cirse" In English!, Could you give me your opinions?
newguyatgmc
Nov 11 2009, 04:19 PM
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Hey Gabriel,
The song is good. But, I have some feedback. When you have the bass with vocals going on I think the bass is too loud, I think the vocals sound should not be over powered by the bass. Rest of the song is good. I would not go too far correcting tthe pronunciation, if is affects the melody. There have been songs by great artists where they pronounce things differently. (Billie jean is a great example)

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First of all the song is really great and the vocals are expressive and captivating. Hope you will be successful with the song and find a broader audience in English speaking or English centric countries. Now to the pronunciation. Of course there are words where it is apparent that Luciana is not a native speaker. But it also adds some slightly exotic vibe that makes it really interesting. If you want to strive for perfect pronunciation though, Luciana should focus on a clearer articulation of e and i. I refer here to words like distress (the i is formed too far up in the nasopharynx, means the tongue comes up but shouldn’t). Another one is “will”. She makes the i too long, it sounds more like wiihl. Same in whisper or killing. The “i” in front of more nasal consonant combinations like ng are also something to focus on. “Said” is slightly over pronounced, but that might be part of the phrasing. Same with the e in ear. Another thing to look for is the combination of p and l as in place or please. She pronounces it more like bl (sounds a little like blace).
But again I love it like it is. Great song, great singing. smile.gif

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Well I still think the way she says killing is so nice and sweet...I love it that way...Pllllllleaaaaaaaaaaaaassssee dont change those things..

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I back that up smile.gif

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I start to love your song more and more... I'm going to listen right now again tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 11 2009, 10:46 AM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif ok,,, just when you are listening to Cirse! laugh.gif


That is probably safest laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif However I listen to Cirse a lot wink.gif

I've played " Something Will Remain" for the friends I gave Bi-Polar to for christmas last year and also a few others and they all love it. They can't wait for more. Not sure yet but I may need more copies of Bi-Polar smile.gif I'll let you know though.

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QUOTE (newguyatgmc @ Nov 11 2009, 12:19 PM) *
Hey Gabriel,
The song is good. But, I have some feedback. When you have the bass with vocals going on I think the bass is too loud, I think the vocals sound should not be over powered by the bass. Rest of the song is good. I would not go too far correcting tthe pronunciation, if is affects the melody. There have been songs by great artists where they pronounce things differently. (Billie jean is a great example)



Hi! Thank you for the feedback! This is just a mixdown not a final mix that's why we didn't work too much on the mix and voice edition. smile.gif

QUOTE (ItsMe @ Nov 11 2009, 01:01 PM) *
First of all the song is really great and the vocals are expressive and captivating. Hope you will be successful with the song and find a broader audience in English speaking or English centric countries. Now to the pronunciation. Of course there are words where it is apparent that Luciana is not a native speaker. But it also adds some slightly exotic vibe that makes it really interesting. If you want to strive for perfect pronunciation though, Luciana should focus on a clearer articulation of e and i. I refer here to words like distress (the i is formed too far up in the nasopharynx, means the tongue comes up but shouldn't). Another one is "will". She makes the i too long, it sounds more like wiihl. Same in whisper or killing. The "i" in front of more nasal consonant combinations like ng are also something to focus on. "Said" is slightly over pronounced, but that might be part of the phrasing. Same with the e in ear. Another thing to look for is the combination of p and l as in place or please. She pronounces it more like bl (sounds a little like blace).
But again I love it like it is. Great song, great singing. smile.gif



Hello ItsMe! Thanks a lot for taking the time for such a complete and helpfull feedback! This will really help us to know which things we have to work on. smile.gif

QUOTE (newguyatgmc @ Nov 11 2009, 01:50 PM) *
Well I still think the way she says killing is so nice and sweet...I love it that way...Pllllllleaaaaaaaaaaaaassssee dont change those things..



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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Nov 11 2009, 03:45 PM) *
I start to love your song more and more... I'm going to listen right now again tongue.gif



It's great to read it! smile.gif

QUOTE (rokchik @ Nov 11 2009, 07:13 PM) *
That is probably safest laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif However I listen to Cirse a lot wink.gif

I've played " Something Will Remain" for the friends I gave Bi-Polar to for christmas last year and also a few others and they all love it. They can't wait for more. Not sure yet but I may need more copies of Bi-Polar smile.gif I'll let you know though.

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QUOTE (ItsMe @ Nov 11 2009, 05:01 PM) *
First of all the song is really great and the vocals are expressive and captivating. Hope you will be successful with the song and find a broader audience in English speaking or English centric countries. Now to the pronunciation. Of course there are words where it is apparent that Luciana is not a native speaker. But it also adds some slightly exotic vibe that makes it really interesting. If you want to strive for perfect pronunciation though, Luciana should focus on a clearer articulation of e and i. I refer here to words like distress (the i is formed too far up in the nasopharynx, means the tongue comes up but shouldn’t). Another one is “will”. She makes the i too long, it sounds more like wiihl. Same in whisper or killing. The “i” in front of more nasal consonant combinations like ng are also something to focus on. “Said” is slightly over pronounced, but that might be part of the phrasing. Same with the e in ear. Another thing to look for is the combination of p and l as in place or please. She pronounces it more like bl (sounds a little like blace).
But again I love it like it is. Great song, great singing. smile.gif



WOW! that's a great feedback! perfect explanation of the articulation. I'll work on my "e" and "i". and I understad perfectly the consonant combinations. Thanxs a lot! very clear!


QUOTE (newguyatgmc @ Nov 11 2009, 05:50 PM) *
Well I still think the way she says killing is so nice and sweet...I love it that way...Pllllllleaaaaaaaaaaaaassssee dont change those things..


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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 1 2009, 12:58 PM) *
I hope this is a beginning of an international career! smile.gif

Awesome Gab, song sounds great, and chorus is excellent! Production is really kicking nicely, very smooth track, and pleasant for listening, which is very important. It has a great flow to it. smile.gif

There are some places where I think pronunciation is a bit strange, but since I'm not native English speaker, take this with a pinch of salt. Here are my observations if it is OK:

Come close to me, astonish me, be slow and quiet
Come close to me, and always whisper in my ear.
And tell me it is true.


It is said that the unconscious is so endless
[Reality] is everything that you set going
I want to hear you...


No one could get in, killing all my [distress]
Leaving behind all my strong will, something will remain.


Well now tell me what I should do, oh my free spirit
Show me that place, that holy place, where we shall be together.


No one could get in, killing all my distress
Leaving behind all my strong will, something will remain.


Why are you [unfair] to me, and leave me to be lost and lonely?
Please talk to me, please give me your warm love.


No one could get in, killing all my distress
Leaving behind all my strong will, something will remain.



Thanks... this helps a lot!!!



QUOTE (rokchik @ Nov 1 2009, 11:23 PM) *
I think this is important suggestion, as like you said Gabriel, it is hard to translate but still keep the melody and feel of the original song.

But even with that being said, I think you guys rocked this one!!!! I loved the original, and I must apologize for my complete butchering of your beautiful language in my car as I drive to work. I might not have a clue of what you are singing about, or how to properly pronounce it, but I still tried to sing along smile.gif Now I really can sing along... much to the chagrin of my passengers I'm sure laugh.gif laugh.gif You guys know I'm a huge fan so now that I can also understand what you are writing it is very exciting.

Luci's voice is amazing, but singing in english I think she has that extra little something. Very exotic and refreshing. I can't wait to hear more.

No matter how you translate it.... CIRSE ROCKS!!!!!!



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O that was great! This goes straight into my iPhone.
Don't worry about the english, it's great. You can hear an accent here and there but that just gives it a personal touch imo.

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O that was great! This goes straight into my iPhone.
Don't worry about the english, it's great. You can hear an accent here and there but that just gives it a personal touch imo.


Thank you for the feedback man! smile.gif You can use the mp3 freely! wink.gif

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Wow man!


When I first read this topic I must confess I was frightened about what I was going to listen to.
To avoid being influenced by others point of view, I first listened to the music before reading the forum.


I'm not a native speaker, I'm Brazilian (and I guess people from Argentina and Brazil have almost the same accent when speaking English…) but usually I don't like English versions (Shakira, for example…btw I'm not comparing smile.gif )

But if you want to know my honest opinion, I really loved the accent and of course, the song!
Bravo Luciana! wink.gif


It sound very "natural and pleasant" to my ears!

Good Luck!

Now, I think it's time to buy a Cirse's album!

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QUOTE (Keep_Rocking @ Dec 1 2009, 01:12 PM) *
Wow man!


When I first read this topic I must confess I was frightened about what I was going to listen to.
To avoid being influenced by others point of view, I first listened to the music before reading the forum.


I'm not a native speaker, I'm Brazilian (and I guess people from Argentina and Brazil have almost the same accent when speaking English…) but usually I don't like English versions (Shakira, for example…btw I'm not comparing smile.gif )

But if you want to know my honest opinion, I really loved the accent and of course, the song!
Bravo Luciana! wink.gif


It sound very "natural and pleasant" to my ears!

Good Luck!

Now, I think it's time to buy a Cirse's album!


Hey! Thank you very much for the comments! It's really cool to know the opinion from a neighbor from Brazil! smile.gif Hope to play there soon!

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