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The birth of the Staffaycaster

Clumsy as I am, Im stepping right into our masterbuilder Jones territory and sending some info on how to fix a bad axe.

Background:
Since Im totally upset over Fender's ridiculous prices on their NOS vintage masterbuilt signature custom guitar's pieces of crap, I will try to prove that You can get the same sound (or nearly) from a total piece'o'junk. Fender did not built quality instruments in the 50's/60's so who say's that they are now? So what I did was to pick up a "no name" guitar for 150€ at my local dealer and started to mess with it. (this is actually a good idea to get a good instrument at a very low price, they use to have "home-built" guitars laying around that they could not sell so easily and therefore is cheap) The headstock on the guitar said "Fender", but even Fender can't glue a name that bad on a headstock, so we had some theorys that it could have been a Squire or as I am bound to believe - a kit that someone built.

First steps:
Since the guitar was reasonable good to play, I first changed the strings and checked the intonation and tuning with the exisant hardware. This is a pretty easy task, but You shall have new strings attached. First take the string unfretted and then pick the harmonic on the 12'th fret - is it in tune? If not, the bridge needs some adjustments. This is easy on a Fender type instrument, You just need an insex-tool to move the metal to adjust the lenght of the string. Anyway, this piece'o'crap seemed to be good in intonation so far so I left it unchanged.

Next, I checked the sound of this dustbuster. It really sounded terrible, it was just the far treble and far bass modes on the 5-way switch that sounded reasonable. The other three modes sounded like someone falling of an airplane in a box, and tries to play even AFTER it has landed.... eg. I was horrified! I draw the conclusion that someone must have been connecting the microphones to the switch in a wrong way, which also was the case when I opened up the guitar.

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The guitar on the operation table - eg. the kitchen table.

First I took all the parts apart. It's easy on a Fender guitar, since You just need a screwdriver and some violence. (Why bother to glue something together when there is plenty of poor workers that is eager to do the screwing?) Nothing was of a surprise here, no names or stamps and the soldering was really an amateur job. Also, the mics and pots wasn't even in chinese style, rather Russian late 40's. (with excuses to the russians and chinese people out there) So I decided to mount some of the pickups from my Mexican strat instead, which are really good ones. Since one of them was broken I also bought an used one from my local dealer for 20€. (they use to have parts laying all around as well) Next thing I realized was that the machine heads was also a totally disaster, and I searched the Internet to find some used without succeeding. (I may have succeeded, if I waited for some time, though) Instead I bought some Schaller lockable tuners, which is on par with Sperzel tuners - but a lot cheaper.


Old tuners

Due to my lack of reading skills, I ordered the wrong tuners of course - the one's I finally got was with a bigger radius than the old ones.... but at least they were heading in the right direction. smile.gif (don't do these mistakes)
It was easy to fix with some swearing and a machine drill though, I made the holes in the headstock bigger and then mounted them in place.

Isolation
In order to get rid of some hum and noise from the guitar I isolated the whole pickguard and the inside of the guitar with plain aluminium foil, the same as You use for the oven. Copper foil may be a better choice, but since I'm not that picker-nickety I used what I have.... I just glued in place and let it dry.


Isolation inside

Soldering
To solder a Fender pickguard is not a hard task since You can unmount the whole pickguard - do the soldering - and then just connect the hot cable and the ground from the body. What is really important here is to use a soldering iron that is strong enough, (eg. in terms of watt, at least 100 w is recommended) otherwise it will be hard to warm the backplates of the pots, where some cables should be soldered. The soldering will be easier if the cables are "pre-soldered" before the actual soldering, which means that You just melt some iron on the tips of the cables. The wiring itself can be made with some tricks, but I decided to go for the standard strat-wiring instead of reversing the phase of some mics etc.


Standard Strat wiring


Pickguard with the mics in place before soldering and isolation.

A good idea when the soldering is completed, is to connect the guitar BEFORE you finally screw all the screws on the pickguard back - otherwise You may have to unscrew them again.... To test if the mics/toggle-switch are are working, just take a piece of metal and knock lightly on the poles of the mics when switching the toggle-switch in it's different positions....

My installation so far seems to be good, so I mounted all the parts back. A trick that can be made here is to use glue between the body and the neck at the same time that You screw the neck VERY hard.... This is important since the better contact the body & neck have = the better sustain will the axe have. I decided not to glue it, since I will probably unmount it again in the near future.

After assembling the guitar again, I checked the mics one more time before putting the strings on. Since Im using pretty heavy strings, the trm had to be set up again. There are really two approaches You can go for here: Either You have the trem "hanging" freely in the air, which will allow You to raise the pitch as well, but You will most likely have more problems with the tuning - or You can adjust it so that the trem is "locked" to the body in it's initial position. This goes for for the Fender 5-screw trems, other units can might as well stay in tune even that they are "hanging" in the air.... Anyway, I like my guitars in tune so I used 3 springs, one in the middle, and the other 2 in the outer position on the trem routed back to the holder in the three middle positions. This is a very common setting that makes the trem fairly easy to press without beeing too sensitive. There was no need to adjust the saddles after this - which is made by a small insex-key to adjust the height of each string. If necessary this should be made according to the necks radius, which You can see if You look at the neck from the bridge point of view. Then I trimmed the screws that goes into the body while at the same time bringing the guitar in tune - this step must be made several times to find the ultimate position of the trem-holder in the body.

Finally I connected the assembled guitar to my fender amp and TWANG !!!! It sounds like a Fender, it plays like a Fender and it even looks as a Fender - for about 250$ !!! (oki,oki maybe not of the best ones though......)

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post Nov 24 2009, 12:12 AM
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Hehe, very cool! biggrin.gif

Man, that cavity on the strat is swimming pool-sized biggrin.gif


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post Nov 24 2009, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 24 2009, 12:12 AM) *
Hehe, very cool! biggrin.gif

Man, that cavity on the strat is swimming pool-sized biggrin.gif


Yeah, and I will try it in the pool next summer as well - maybe it will be more Fender-like with some serious water-damage???? laugh.gif


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post Nov 24 2009, 04:37 AM
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OK, Staffay, the marketing department at Fender is calling an emergency meeting. Hedge funds are shorting their stock in Japan right this moment. Can you spread around the desolation by next converting a 2x4 and an old meat chopping board into a passable Les Paul Jr? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 24 2009, 05:24 AM
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NICE MAN, i did the same with an squier some time ago, it looked and sounded great, but the playing wasn't that good, i think that was a cheap wood over the neck.

also it didn't ringed that much as my fenders sad.gif


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post Nov 24 2009, 06:11 AM
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Great Job! You have given life to another guitar that might otherwise have found an early grave!!!! How about a custom paint job on that baby? cool.gif


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Great write-up Staff.

Hey, you should put six humbuckers in that thing and a 50 way switch! biggrin.gif


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post Nov 24 2009, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE (JamesT @ Nov 24 2009, 07:10 AM) *
Great write-up Staff.

Hey, you should put six humbuckers in that thing and a 50 way switch! biggrin.gif



Hmmmm, that sounds expensive cause that means that I have to put 5 more output jacks in the guitar and get 5 more Marshalls...... laugh.gif

QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Nov 24 2009, 06:11 AM) *
Great Job! You have given life to another guitar that might otherwise have found an early grave!!!! How about a custom paint job on that baby? cool.gif


Well, I thought about it, but I kinda like the blue color. I did some paint-jobs on other guitars before though, but it's time-consuming if You don't have a polishing wheel....

QUOTE (Adrian Figallo @ Nov 24 2009, 05:24 AM) *
NICE MAN, i did the same with an squier some time ago, it looked and sounded great, but the playing wasn't that good, i think that was a cheap wood over the neck.

also it didn't ringed that much as my fenders sad.gif


Yeah, I give You right in that! But I had a Tokai that sounded exactly like a Fender, and wait, I had a Squire as well, an early 80's that sounded very good!

QUOTE (methodseeker @ Nov 24 2009, 04:37 AM) *
OK, Staffay, the marketing department at Fender is calling an emergency meeting. Hedge funds are shorting their stock in Japan right this moment. Can you spread around the desolation by next converting a 2x4 and an old meat chopping board into a passable Les Paul Jr? biggrin.gif


I thought they were made of that already..... laugh.gif But I will try to convert my lawn-mover into a Mesa-Boogie next time!


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post Nov 24 2009, 02:30 PM
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Nice write Staffay!!!
I can put it in the 'Featured Articles' if you want?

I'll be posting my Guide to 'Setting up' the Pink Plankster next week too!

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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Nov 24 2009, 01:30 PM) *
Nice write Staffay!!!
I can put it in the 'Featured Articles' if you want?

Definitely, great post.


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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Nov 24 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Nice write Staffay!!!
I can put it in the 'Featured Articles' if you want?

I'll be posting my Guide to 'Setting up' the Pink Plankster next week too!


Yeps, put it wherever You think its fitting... smile.gif So now we got a Pink Plankster, a Staffaycaster - what will it be next ??? laugh.gif


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Very entertaining read! it's been a while since I opened a guitar like that, but you seem to know what you are doing


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QUOTE (Staffy @ Nov 24 2009, 03:09 PM) *
Yeps, put it wherever You think its fitting... smile.gif So now we got a Pink Plankster, a Staffaycaster - what will it be next ??? laugh.gif

OK!!
Well, my next build will be an Ibanez style one with a Floyd Rose trem and how to set one of them up!
I haven't got a name for it yet though. I have a bright Red body with white edge binding for it, although I might buy an unfinished one and put a veneer on it. Not sure yet!!! I'm open to any suggestions if people want particular things covered in the articles!!


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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Nov 24 2009, 04:58 PM) *
OK!!
Well, my next build will be an Ibanez style one with a Floyd Rose trem and how to set one of them up!
I haven't got a name for it yet though. I have a bright Red body with white edge binding for it, although I might buy an unfinished one and put a veneer on it. Not sure yet!!! I'm open to any suggestions if people want particular things covered in the articles!!


Hmm, Im thinking bout something similar since I haven't got a guitar with a Floyd. What I do have, is an old Tokai neck with scalloped fingerboard, maybe it must be something out of that one...... a real scary one!!! biggrin.gif


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This is now on the Featured Articles in the Gear Wiki!! biggrin.gif

A Scalloped Neck? That can only mean one of two things....

Ritchie Blackmore or the Yng-meister!!!
Both very different Guitars!!!!


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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Nov 24 2009, 05:53 PM) *
This is now on the Featured Articles in the Gear Wiki!! biggrin.gif

A Scalloped Neck? That can only mean one of two things....

Ritchie Blackmore or the Yng-meister!!!
Both very different Guitars!!!!


Different?? The reason Yng-wie scalloped his was because of Blackmore and its a 70's piece'o'junk strat as well.....
I really scalloped my neck because of Blackmore back in the 80's, but maybe this new one has to be a Yngwie-Blackster.... biggrin.gif


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Next time you take on a project like this, I think you should sand off the "Stratocaster" model name and replace it with your own "Stafcaster" or "Staffycaster" label smile.gif

edit: ok, there must be more. Perhaps you might someday also decide to make your own...

- Fender Telestaffy
- Gibson Staff Paul
- Gibson Staffsplorer
- Gibson '58 Staffing V
- Staffanez RG
- Epiphone Staffstroyer 335
- Martin Staffnaught?
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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 24 2009, 06:43 PM) *
Next time you take on a project like this, I think you should sand off the "Stratocaster" model name and replace it with your own "Stafcaster" or "Staffycaster" label smile.gif


I was thinking of exactly that and tried to get some adhesive plastic for my printer, but they dont sell it anymore, maybe in an office store or something like - otherwise I have to paint it the old fashion way.... But a part 2 is coming up anyway, I will switch the trem and sand down the whole neck as well.... smile.gif

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 24 2009, 06:43 PM) *
Next time you take on a project like this, I think you should sand off the "Stratocaster" model name and replace it with your own "Stafcaster" or "Staffycaster" label smile.gif

edit: ok, there must be more. Perhaps you might someday also decide to make your own...

- Fender Telestaffy
- Gibson Staff Paul
- Gibson Staffsplorer
- Gibson '58 Staffing V
- Staffanez RG
- Epiphone Staffstroyer 335
- Martin Staffnaught?
- Fender Staffcision Bass
- Staffy's Balls Music Staff - Axis


Heheeee !!! Awesome names !!! What about Staffson Melody Destroyer ???? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Staffy @ Nov 24 2009, 11:50 AM) *
What about Staffson Melody Destroyer ???? biggrin.gif


Maybe that's the real name of the guitar I always think of as something-destroyer 335 or whatever it is. BB King's Lucille is (or looks like) one of these?


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