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Daniel Realpe
post Nov 30 2009, 06:29 PM
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Hi guys!

I couldn't find a way to upload the file to GMC so I used this website I found:

Final Mix Mp3

Great takes overall! Thank you for participating, it was very fun to listen to your collabs. Here are some comments I wrote when listening to your takes. Off the top of my head.

- Jafomatic: (0:00-0:37)

I enjoyed your bends and slides. The two guitars create a nice effect when they start splitting.
Good job on using the whole stereo spectrum, it really stands out in the mix. The final lick is very expressive with the muting, good job. The tone you got is very sparkly and attacked, very bluesy, sounds good over the BT.

When I laid down the track in my DAW, it didn’t sync perfectly when matching the starting points, I had to move it by watching the start of the wave. Just a detail but worth mentioning.

- Keilnoth: (0:37-1:12)

I liked the turn you did when changing to the second part (in the Am7). The bend to reach the high B was in perfect tune, very expressive!
You seemed a little hesitant when the track comes back to the beginning. At the end the bends are slightly out of tune, careful with that.
The guitar feels a little small with the patch you are using, as if it was coming from a tweed. I don’t know if it is intentional but just so you know. Other amps and other EQ give a bigger sound. Maybe it’s too dark?

Overall I feel that you are a little hesitant. Hit the strings hard and bend them aggressively. At least one time before doing something mellow.

- NoSkill: (1:12-1:48)

You have a rounded melodic idea in your head and come back to it to reinstate it, that makes it easier for the listener to become familiar with the theme, good job!
Try making jumps on the Em scale too, not only up and down.
Don’t be too careful when thinking where the beat is, instead just listen to the BT with more attention and let your hand fall on the beat naturally. I say this because I feel that you are rushing a little bit. Also be more careful muting the strings, I can hear sometimes dirty intervals when two strings ring.

Maybe there’s a need for more brightness in your patch, and less distortion.

- Neurologi: (1:48-2:27)

Good job clarifying the phrases by pausing between them. The delay is set very precisely and gives the nice fugue effect. I like how it fades at the end.
The rhythm is a little off for instance on the third phrase, the starting is out of the pulse.
You used an Em scale, that gives the solo a totally different vibe than pentatonic, good to have as many tools you can use. One thing that might be useful is not always use it up and down but make jumps on the same scale, like the one interval I heard somewhere in there: B-E. There are plenty of lessons in GMC about that.

The tone mainly depends on how you hit the strings, I feel that you are being a little too careful. On the final fast run I can see the intention. You start off pretty good but half way it’s like notes take you by surprise. Plan the whole before you make it, this is what exercises are good for.

For the patch I think it might use some presence so it stands out on the mix. Maybe the delay is affecting some here so one thing I sometimes do is EQing the feedback of the delay so it sounds a lot darker that the original sound source and then they don’t get confused.

- Hammerhead: (2:27-3:02)

I liked how you started with a dissonant interval. Sounds pretty interesting to me. Then you open to an Em scale which “normalizes” the melody giving it a nice effect. The open string licks had a bizarre effect over the backing track in my opinion, good thing.
Loved how you slowed down on the ending part, very nicely done.

The tone used is quite bright, the wah exalts the highs even more, that’s probably one thing to take into consideration.
There’s an slight timing issue at the very end. It’s hard to tell what you wanted to do.

- Skennington: (3:02-3:39)

Your non-musical references were very effective to me. Very well put together, you really painted a scenario in my head!
The intro clean part sounds great with the backing, just perfect. There’s an slight off note on the last part on the lead solo.
The ending slowed phrase was very good to end the solo, rounded the idea very good.

Nice tones both clean and lead.

- Methodseeker: (3:39-4:14)

Props to you for taking risks! You have clear in your head how to sub-divide over this odd signature, good job! You have a good timing sense. Some of the dissonances gave an interesting twist to the idea.

Careful when using dissonances (Although this can be very relative). They have to be treated very carefully, meaning you have to resolve them pretty quickly and not place them on strong beats (This case the 1 - - 4 -). Some of the notes sounded too off. I heard you used the C# somewhere in there, I liked the colour that particular note added to the solo.

The tone you used is much better than first upload although it’s still too thin in my opinion. You could round it up a little more with some EQ and try using compression so that some of the attacks that peak don’t come out as loud and everything sounds more even.

- Maharzan: (4:14-4:49)

I liked the way you rounded an idea. It has a sense and a direction. Very good job on that. I loved how on the second part when the backing track comes back to the beginning you created kind of a climax, it really stands out and makes the solo very expressive.

There’s a slight intonation issue. Some notes seem a little out of tune, I think it’s because you got used to do small bends, it’s good to clarify clearly when you do bends and when the notes are still. Play with no bends just to practice.

The tone you used is a little dark. There’s probably too much reverb, that’ll clear it a little more.

- Dexxter: (4:49-5:22)

Great expressive solo, very good job. I liked the minor seconds sounding harmonically, those dissonances put there stood out.

At the end you sounded a little uncertain, many attacks of the notes were out of the beat, it’s ok when a few are but when many are off beat sounds unorganized.

Very nice lead tone!

- Daniel Realpe: (5:22-6:08)


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post Nov 30 2009, 07:33 PM
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Thanks for the comments, Daniel. The feedback is very good. About that take, I wanted to do it all on one string...it might not have worked. Great backing though, man, and thanks for the time and effort to mix it and make comments!

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post Nov 30 2009, 07:50 PM
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Awesome job guys! Really enjoying listening to this. It has been on repeat since I downloaded it ... tongue.gif I wouldn't know the protocol as this is my first collab but was a nice surprise you gave us there, Daniel! wink.gif Very tasty. Never would have thought to throw a palm mute here and there. Old habits die hard, eh? wink.gif Very rewarding experience. I was quite surprised at how well you analysed my take. A lot of lessons learned. I still think I did ok given I didn't pre-rehearse it and took maybe two recording punch-ins and had a listen to see how it sounded. I thought go with the flow. Let it stay ...

Grateful.


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post Nov 30 2009, 09:06 PM
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Thanks for the comments, Daniel, I really enjoyed participating in this collaboration. Sorry about the track lengths being funny, I hadn't encountered that before this recording. I'll remember to include a bar of clicks in the future.

Regarding your take, I just love your tone and phrasing! Did you use a parked wah or something else to maybe yank the signal out of phase? I really dig it. The whole take reminds me of Vai and I hope that you'll take that in the complimentary way that it's intended. smile.gif



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post Nov 30 2009, 10:23 PM
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Great job guys, sorry for not turning in a take Daniel, I had lots of problems, still have and the one i had was imcomplete, I'm doing improvised takes for other collabs as I speak so I can atleast furfill my word.

Once again, sorry for my withdrawl


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post Nov 30 2009, 11:00 PM
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Actually. More importantly, who won 1000 points?!! I think I can hazard a guess to who ... but don't leave us in the dark ....


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post Dec 1 2009, 01:35 AM
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Yes, great job guys! I enjoyed this very much. smile.gif And thank you Daniel for the collab. Very pleasurable backing to play along, I could have probably turned in a number of different takes on this one. I enjoyed your take as well, smooth phrasing, great technique and awesome tone, well done! Glad to have you hear with us as an Instructor. Now off to the 80's.. laugh.gif


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post Dec 1 2009, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Nov 30 2009, 07:33 PM) *
Thanks for the comments, Daniel. The feedback is very good. About that take, I wanted to do it all on one string...it might not have worked. Great backing though, man, and thanks for the time and effort to mix it and make comments!

Cheers!

Tom in Canada


Thank you for participating! and for the comments,
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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 30 2009, 07:50 PM) *
Awesome job guys! Really enjoying listening to this. It has been on repeat since I downloaded it ... tongue.gif I wouldn't know the protocol as this is my first collab but was a nice surprise you gave us there, Daniel! wink.gif Very tasty. Never would have thought to throw a palm mute here and there. Old habits die hard, eh? wink.gif Very rewarding experience. I was quite surprised at how well you analysed my take. A lot of lessons learned. I still think I did ok given I didn't pre-rehearse it and took maybe two recording punch-ins and had a listen to see how it sounded. I thought go with the flow. Let it stay ...

Grateful.


It was a really good take for not having rehearsed it much. I'm glad you got a lot out of it.

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QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 30 2009, 09:06 PM) *
Thanks for the comments, Daniel, I really enjoyed participating in this collaboration. Sorry about the track lengths being funny, I hadn't encountered that before this recording. I'll remember to include a bar of clicks in the future.

Regarding your take, I just love your tone and phrasing! Did you use a parked wah or something else to maybe yank the signal out of phase? I really dig it. The whole take reminds me of Vai and I hope that you'll take that in the complimentary way that it's intended. smile.gif


Thank you Jafo, for my take I used a modeled Bogner amp with a classic distortion on the POD X3, but no wah. I just recently messed around with the POD again otherwise I was parked on my Mesa modeler. But this one I really enjoyed, another I liked was the 5150 model.

Man, Vai is one of my favorites, thanks! smile.gif



QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Nov 30 2009, 10:23 PM) *
Great job guys, sorry for not turning in a take Daniel, I had lots of problems, still have and the one i had was imcomplete, I'm doing improvised takes for other collabs as I speak so I can atleast furfill my word.

Once again, sorry for my withdrawl


Thank you for replying and posting this. It's understandable, sometimes we can't record our takes on time for many reasons.





QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 30 2009, 11:00 PM) *
Actually. More importantly, who won 1000 points?!! I think I can hazard a guess to who ... but don't leave us in the dark ....


The first participant that comes to mind to win the grand prize of:.....1000 points is: Methodseeker!

Congrats! hehe

I noticed you tried to do something really different in your take, hence the price biggrin.gif

Although there's a second award to Skennington for 999points. The nature sounds were a very surprising approach.



QUOTE (skennington @ Dec 1 2009, 01:35 AM) *
Yes, great job guys! I enjoyed this very much. smile.gif And thank you Daniel for the collab. Very pleasurable backing to play along, I could have probably turned in a number of different takes on this one. I enjoyed your take as well, smooth phrasing, great technique and awesome tone, well done! Glad to have you hear with us as an Instructor. Now off to the 80's.. laugh.gif


Thank you very much for your comments! smile.gif

Thank you for participating and deliver that surprise for us,

that's right, I'm gonna work on my take for that riff as well,


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Thanks for the points man, I was trying to create a dream, or at least a thought I had in mind. rolleyes.gif I'll take the white bear up there on the left... laugh.gif Great collab guys!


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post Dec 1 2009, 06:03 AM
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Daniel,

Thanks for putting this together. The backing was suggestive, but not too constraining so it was fun to work with. I liked everyone's takes and thought they all sounded better in the final mix. Your comments helped me to get more out of listening to them all a few times. I'll put those points in my odd-stuff collection and make something good out of them later. smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2009, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE (methodseeker @ Dec 1 2009, 06:03 AM) *
Daniel,

Thanks for putting this together. The backing was suggestive, but not too constraining so it was fun to work with. I liked everyone's takes and thought they all sounded better in the final mix. Your comments helped me to get more out of listening to them all a few times. I'll put those points in my odd-stuff collection and make something good out of them later. smile.gif


Thank you for participating,

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QUOTE (skennington @ Dec 1 2009, 05:19 AM) *
Thanks for the points man, I was trying to create a dream, or at least a thought I had in mind. rolleyes.gif I'll take the white bear up there on the left... laugh.gif Great collab guys!


hahah, white bear for Skenn,

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Great collab, thanks for this Daniel! Really interesting takes here. Sorry to say that my take is unfortunately placed a beat sooner in the final mix than it is supposed to be. Hope that's not what made my take uncertain and unorganized laugh.gif Just kidding. Thanks for the comment and collab once again!
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