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post Dec 11 2009, 12:43 AM
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[EDIT] >> Gee. That didn't take long. Thought of another question for the maestro. After playing a note do you lift the finger off from the fret or just relax? I am thinking just relax .... The fingers have less distance to travel and can then more easily play at a faster speed.
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you can do both depending on the situation. I tend to lift the finger off from the fret, this way if I need to do a hammer-on, they'll be ready to go! smile.gif

Hi Neurologi!

Very good job with your first assignment! although I’m still waiting for the rhythmic and sight singing part,

The second assignment will be this:

Second assignment: Due December 17th /2009

- Record and post Arpeggios assignment, using sweeping technique (as shown on the video chat biggrin.gif). Tempo is the least important for now, what matters is that every note sounds clean and that the whole exercise is consistent from beginning to end.

- Record and post Rhythmic assignment using clapping hands EDIT: and syllables.

- Record and post Scales assignment.

- Recognize and write what two modes are being played on the two phrases on the scales assignment.

- Sing and post the next melody in G: (you can use the syllable "na")

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post Dec 11 2009, 04:01 PM
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I am about to listen to the Ear Training exercise. I have done a take for the other two components due though ...

Attached File  Sight_Sing1.mp3 ( 2.61MB ) Number of downloads: 134

Attached File  Rhythm1.mp3 ( 678.38K ) Number of downloads: 132


Personally, I didn't find sight-singing very easy at all! blink.gif


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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 11 2009, 10:01 AM) *
I am about to listen to the Ear Training exercise. I have done a take for the other two components due though ...

Attached File  Sight_Sing1.mp3 ( 2.61MB ) Number of downloads: 134

Attached File  Rhythm1.mp3 ( 678.38K ) Number of downloads: 132


Personally, I didn't find sight-singing very easy at all! blink.gif


all right!! great job!

- Sight singing: I now know that you can adapt your voice to whatever tone you are hearing which is the only thing you need actually. The C scale is on a very uncomfortable range for most male singers. In this case is good to change octaves as you did coming down on the A, but also you can change octaves again when the range is too low, just jump up to next octave so your voice is more comfortable.

It's a matter of technique rather, but our intention is not to make you the best singer in Europe, but only to let your voice be comfortable doing melodies which ultimately will help your writing and improvisation. We'll keep on doing some exercises to polish this part if it's ok with you.

- Rhythm: The exercise was performed excellent. The right notes on the right time. It's interesting to hear that your rhythm exercise was very locked with the pulse but your arpeggio post was a little off. That only means, it's in your head, it's not a technique problem.

What I do sometimes is to sing the part rhythmically, like you did on the exercise (with "ta"), and then record it. You'll see that is a lot easier and it comes out more relaxed and secure.

Now, for the second rhythm exercise. It is on 4/4. In an even time signature there's always natural accents. In this case they fall on 1 and 3.

The 1 is a very strong accent and the 3 is a more soft one. 2 and 4 are sort of passive pulses.

So for the next assignment, accent 1 and 3. Notice that on the first assignment you naturally put an accent on long notes regardless of where they were. In your sung part you did your accents with "taa" and non-accent notes with "tee", this is a good way to differentiate weak and strong pulses. So this time, everytime a 1 and a 3 comes you would sing them as "taa" and also accent them dynamically.

Do both clapping and syllables as well. Later on we will do polyrhythms using both at the same time.







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post Dec 11 2009, 07:03 PM
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I am still struggling on the Ear Training section but here are my answers anyhow. In order of appearance within the provided MIDI file:

P5 P4 P8 P4

Just in time to jump onto your video chat ...


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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 11 2009, 01:03 PM) *
I am still struggling on the Ear Training section but here are my answers anyhow. In order of appearance within the provided MIDI file:

P5 P4 P8 P4

Just in time to jump onto your video chat ...


That's ok, that's why we have to practice this

right answers are:

P5 8va 8va P5


so you confused the fourth with the octave, work on those two intervals with the ear master pro, once you have them down move on...

The 4th is easily recognizable when compared to a typical cadencial gesture, play G and then C, and you'll hear that.



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Yeah. I like Ear Master Pro better for interval recognition drills. Since I get so many wrong I was getting constant dialog boxes popping up in Auralia and what is more you can't turn them off in settings or preferences. In Ear Master Pro it is a lot more seamless in design. It does lack some of the more advanced stuff that Auralia has though. So, I guess, once I improve I can use that but for the time being it is EMP for me since I am such a hopeless case ... smile.gif


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yeah but for what we are using it, Ear master is good enough,



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I gave you a sight singing assignment for the second week, I edited the original post

Let me know how do you feel about it,

The idea is to do it by looking at the score and not use the GP file but just in case you need to hear what it sounds like I attached the GP file.

For this you need to know what key you are in so before you practice it, play a G chord to stablish the key.


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Cool. Thanks. Just reading over and digesting your points and observations from the past few days now that I have completed the first week's assignment. I take it you mean doing the singing assignment with no backing (guitar or piano/keyboard) just a cappella? If so, I can tell already this is going to be tough but that's fine. I like it! smile.gif

[EDIT] >> What was that book you were referring to in your video chat today? Loved how you played your own composition right at the end there. That is the one I most enjoyed of those I have checked out on your YouTube (or was it MySpace?) page sometime ago. Such a great song!! You need to get a full latin percussion section behind you and you'll really be kickin'!!! biggrin.gif I would buy that single in a heartbeat .... Could you provide the tab? It will only take me about a year or two to learn how to play! wink.gif

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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 11 2009, 06:29 PM) *
- Rhythm: The exercise was performed excellent. The right notes on the right time. It's interesting to hear that your rhythm exercise was very locked with the pulse but your arpeggio post was a little off. That only means, it's in your head, it's not a technique problem.

I think that is probably due to a couple of technical issues with my recording setup. I will program my MIDI foot controller before my next recordings with all the major transport controls and other niceties in my DAW so that I can be more settled and comfortable as I do a take. The arpeggios are especially difficult to get my right hand back from the keyboard to playing position in time. Not a good situation for a technique I am a rank beginner at. Also, I need to play around with an adjusted headphone mix so that I can hear the metronome better. The transients kinda get lost to my ears as I play. Hopefully, the next round of recordings will be a bit tighter.


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post Dec 11 2009, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 11 2009, 01:43 AM) *
- Record and post Arpeggios assignment, using sweeping technique (as shown on the video chat biggrin.gif). Tempo is the least important for now, what matters is that every note sounds clean and that the whole exercise is consistent from beginning to end.

As I assume this to be a moveable minor shape arpeggio throughout, should the two-string version of it (rooted on third string) be of the form:

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------11--15--11--
--12--------------
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and not ....

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------10--14--10--
--12--------------
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as it appears at the end of bar 4 in the GP file? Just want to clarify before I go nuts on it! biggrin.gif


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post Dec 12 2009, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 11 2009, 04:13 PM) *
I think that is probably due to a couple of technical issues with my recording setup. I will program my MIDI foot controller before my next recordings with all the major transport controls and other niceties in my DAW so that I can be more settled and comfortable as I do a take. The arpeggios are especially difficult to get my right hand back from the keyboard to playing position in time. Not a good situation for a technique I am a rank beginner at. Also, I need to play around with an adjusted headphone mix so that I can hear the metronome better. The transients kinda get lost to my ears as I play. Hopefully, the next round of recordings will be a bit tighter.


I hear you,

yeah that sounds like it,

nothing like being comfortable to play, it's even imperative


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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 11 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Cool. Thanks. Just reading over and digesting your points and observations from the past few days now that I have completed the first week's assignment. I take it you mean doing the singing assignment with no backing (guitar or piano/keyboard) just a cappella? If so, I can tell already this is going to be tough but that's fine. I like it! smile.gif

[EDIT] >> What was that book you were referring to in your video chat today? Loved how you played your own composition right at the end there. That is the one I most enjoyed of those I have checked out on your YouTube (or was it MySpace?) page sometime ago. Such a great song!! You need to get a full latin percussion section behind you and you'll really be kickin'!!! biggrin.gif I would buy that single in a heartbeat .... Could you provide the tab? It will only take me about a year or two to learn how to play! wink.gif


This is the book,

For the sight singing assignment, you must be near a piano or guitar, unless you have perfect pitch, laugh.gif but don't play over the melody, use the instrument only as a guide before you start. You can sing some of the steps of the scale you are going to use. For instance, play the G chord and sing an entire major scale, and four steps below the G, which is what you are gonna need for that particular melody,




QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 11 2009, 05:17 PM) *
as it appears at the end of bar 4 in the GP file? Just want to clarify before I go nuts on it! biggrin.gif


well, what I want you to do for this particular case is to practice that shape on the guitar so I'm not going for the minor sound necessarilly, rather the shape of the hand.

so only move the shape as shown on the GP file, record on the fastest and cleanest tempo possible biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 11 2009, 06:29 PM) *
It's a matter of technique rather, but our intention is not to make you the best singer in Europe, but only to let your voice be comfortable doing melodies which ultimately will help your writing and improvisation. We'll keep on doing some exercises to polish this part if it's ok with you.

Oh but good sir! I thought that was very much the intention?! laugh.gif

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 12 2009, 05:48 AM) *
For the sight singing assignment, you must be near a piano or guitar, unless you have perfect pitch, laugh.gif but don't play over he melody, use the instrument only as a guide before you start. You can sing some of the steps of the scale you are going to use. For instance, play the G chord and sing an entire major scale, and four steps below the G, which is what you are gonna need for that particular melody,

Cool. Looking a little closer at the melody I see that all intervals are either major or minor seconds. So you didn't throw any curve balls my way which will make it a little easier for me. Gonna practise some major scale pitching exercises then with an emphasis on the descending portion as I find them trickier to pull off comfortably. Thanks for the advice.


On a side note, I am reminded of something that occurred to me during your first video chat. You fired up the metronome at some point and it sounded to me as if it were a MIDI drum loop playing in the background? That is such a great idea. I should have thought of this before. I say this for I have always found metronome clicks to be rather grating on my ears even if I EQ them a little. Only so much you can do in that area really. In the past, when jamming, rehearsing or performing in a band context I would always be listening very carefully to what the drums were doing at any given moment and take my cues from it pretty much ignoring everything else including the bass. I already feel very comfortable with that as my pulse setter. So much so that I caught myself whilst recording the rhythm exercises for last week doing my drum rudiments all over again (that was oh so long ago!) with the hands going LRLRL .... tongue.gif Could I do the same here with the posting of upcoming exercises? That is to say, I would set up a tempo matched groove appropriate for the given exercise. Nothing too fancy. Then I would record that along with the guitar rather than a click track which I find sounds really dull and feels even more so. A fine point yes but I thought to ask you beforehand. Your thoughts? What do you use by the way? Just curious.

Thanks for your time, Daniel. I am firing a lot of questions your way lately. The video chats just reminded me of lots of questions I should have asked you already. I just forget sometimes that I don't have to always work everything out on my own. That is one of the many reasons this experience has been so valuable for me already.

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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 12 2009, 04:09 AM) *
Oh but good sir! I thought that was very much the intention?! laugh.gif


Cool. Looking a little closer at the melody I see that all intervals are either major or minor seconds. So you didn't throw any curve balls my way which will make it a little easier for me. Gonna practise some major scale pitching exercises then with an emphasis on the descending portion as I find them trickier to pull off comfortably. Thanks for the advice.


On a side note, I am reminded of something that occurred to me during your first video chat. You fired up the metronome at some point and it sounded to me as if it were a MIDI drum loop playing in the background? That is such a great idea. I should have thought of this before. I say this for I have always found metronome clicks to be rather grating on my ears even if I EQ them a little. Only so much you can do in that area really. In the past, when jamming, rehearsing or performing in a band context I would always be listening very carefully to what the drums were doing at any given moment and take my cues from it pretty much ignoring everything else including the bass. I already feel very comfortable with that as my pulse setter. So much so that I caught myself whilst recording the rhythm exercises for last week doing my drum rudiments all over again (that was oh so long ago!) with the hands going LRLRL .... tongue.gif Could I do the same here with the posting of upcoming exercises? That is to say, I would set up a tempo matched groove appropriate for the given exercise. Nothing too fancy. Then I would record that along with the guitar rather than a click track which I find sounds really dull and feels even more so. A fine point yes but I thought to ask you beforehand. Your thoughts? What do you use by the way? Just curious.

Thanks for your time, Daniel. I am firing a lot of questions your way lately. The video chats just reminded me of lots of questions I should have asked you already. I just forget sometimes that I don't have to always work everything out on my own. That is one of the many reasons this experience has been so valuable for me already.

Grateful.


I've always liked drums!, I even bought one electronic kit sometime, don't have anymore though,

As long as there is a steady pulse on the back and you can perform over it, it's fine,

I have a keyboard that has some built-in rhythms, so I can use that as a metronome. It certainly feels different from a click track, but it's good to practice on both. Sometimes when you are recording there will only be a click.

These guys use percussion tracks instead of clicks to record biggrin.gif




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Haha! That's cause Megadeth are way cool! biggrin.gif This begs the question as to why you got rid of the kit? You had some mean chops doin' blast beats I saw. Maybe the challenge just wasn't there anymore, eh? wink.gif

Gonna play around with both before I record next time but I am pretty sure I will prefer to have a percussive backing track to play over even if I am just playing a humble C Major scale up-and-down ... laugh.gif

[EDIT] >> That reminds me of a recent conversation I had with an ex-drummer of mine. We had only just caught up with each other again after many years. So, the obvious topic gets onto the subject of what have you been doing lately in a musical sense? Well he has only gotten back into the "I'm in a band, man!" thing recently but up till then he had tried to jam with some guitarists here and there. His take was that it just didn't work out. To quote: "They just don't get it. They can't hold a beat to save themselves!" So that is the flip side of the coin. It is all well and good to rock out in one's bedroom but another matter entirely if you expect to do the same with other musicians. It might well explain my sentiments about not being very impressed with most guitarists noodling and wailing about. The real test is can you put the same in a musical context and not sound like a complete wanker?! I find drummers so refreshing. I always thought they were the coolest guys in almost any band you could care to mention. They just don't feel the need to grab all the limelight. Preferring instead to being the backbone that keeps the sublime from turning into the ridiculous.

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"They just don't feel the need to grab all the limelight. Preferring instead to being the backbone that keeps the sublime from turning into the ridiculous."

well, I know of cases when this doesn't apply. The drummer for a band I have always plays in between songs, he does drum solos actually. I would like to say "we came to rehearse, all of us, not just you" but it can get uncomfortable so I don't, tongue.gif

I sold the drumkit cause I didn't play anymore, now I want to get another one biggrin.gif


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Heh! I bet it would get a tad "uncomfortable". Not a good idea to get a sweaty, hulking, pumped-up dude all pissed off like ... mad.gif


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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 12 2009, 01:10 PM) *
Heh! I bet it would get a tad "uncomfortable". Not a good idea to get a sweaty, hulking, pumped-up dude all pissed off like ... mad.gif



hahah, yeah, you know what I mean biggrin.gif


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Howdy!

Gonna upload as I complete segments and edit the post as I go rather than trying to do a whole bunch at once. I suppose it is my birthday today, too?

Attached File  Scales2.mp3 ( 551.04K ) Number of downloads: 126

Phrase 1 is G Lydian
Phrase 2 is A Dorian


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