Ruben_mcn's December Mtp Thread, Weekly assignments and uploads here Options

[ruben_mcn]

Here is the 5th exercise at 70 bpm =)



Looking forward 4 our next assigmnt

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This post has been edited by ruben_mcn: Dec 18 2009, 02:49 PM

[Pedja Simovic]

Ruben I checked out all the remaining examples. Lets start from last one!

Example 5 = You need to do that one in groups of 4 notes (16th notes) not in groups of 3 notes (triplets). This was your main mistake, rhythm.

Example 4 = This was one of your best work, great sweeping and hands 90+% in sync. Good work!

Example 3 = Here you did not roll your 4 fingers at all, which produced bar like unwanted noise sound. That exercise needs to be played with perfection so that every finger can learn to move up and down from the strings. It is great left hand exercise for sweeping. I also think you increased tempo a lot for this one as it seemed to you like it was easy but it is actually very difficult when you think about it


Example 2 = This one you got rhythm and sweeping motion down but some notes are incorrect. Check the file again for that one, I am most pleased by this one and example 5 so far!


Overall we will continue with sweep picking in your 3rd assignment as I feel we really need to work on this one. I will post new exercises for you very soon so stay tuned!

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[ruben_mcn]

Ruben I checked out all the remaining examples. Lets start from last one!

Example 5 = You need to do that one in groups of 4 notes (16th notes) not in groups of 3 notes (triplets). This was your main mistake, rhythm.

Example 4 = This was one of your best work, great sweeping and hands 90+% in sync. Good work!

Example 3 = Here you did not roll your 4 fingers at all, which produced bar like unwanted noise sound. That exercise needs to be played with perfection so that every finger can learn to move up and down from the strings. It is great left hand exercise for sweeping. I also think you increased tempo a lot for this one as it seemed to you like it was easy but it is actually very difficult when you think about it


Example 2 = This one you got rhythm and sweeping motion down but some notes are incorrect. Check the file again for that one, I am most pleased by this one and example 5 so far!


Overall we will continue with sweep picking in your 3rd assignment as I feel we really need to work on this one. I will post new exercises for you very soon so stay tuned!

OK pedja, sorry for the mistakes i fell really bad :S ... Hope the next assingmnt will be better

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This post has been edited by ruben_mcn: Dec 20 2009, 01:13 AM

[Pedja Simovic]

Ruben we continue with your assignments now. I have decided to change things up a bit for your remaining 3 assignments. Your 3rd assignment will be theory and harmony based while your 4th assignment will be REC at the same time!

3rd assignment :

Theory reading

- I would like you to read my posts from links provided below.
- Once you read it all, memorize 3 and 4 part harmony in C major scale.
- Learn to apply scale degrees rather then numbers ( I in C major is C, IV in C is F etc).
- Write out in this thread all notes for 3 and 4 part harmony in C major.
- Explain to me how do we build chords in the first place?
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?

Here are the links:

Major scale harmony and chord functions

Cadences


4th assignment :

Triads in C major scale part 1

- Record video of Triads in C major scale part 1 lesson found HERE
- Use backing track provided in the thread when recording it.
- Try to apply left hand fingerings I applied but stick to right hand fingerings all the way.
- Upload video on Youtube and post it in this thread here.
- When you are finished with the video, post it on REC board for grading!

Deadline for these assignments is 31st of December!

Let me know if you have any questions.

Pedja

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[ruben_mcn]

So have read the posts and here is what i have so far..

Notes in the 3rd part harmony of c Major:

I (C major) - C/E/G
II (D minor) - D/F/A
III (E minor) - E/G/B
IV (F major) - F/A/C
V (G major) - G/B/D
VI (A minor) - A/C/E
VII (B diminished) - B/D/F
VIII (C major) - C/E/G

Im´still tryn to understand how does the part 4 work..

By the away i don´t know how explain:
"Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"

i know that for instace if you want (as u ask were :"How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?")
D Dorian i the II so the I is C Ionian (C MAjor ) so D Dorian is basicly the chords of an C Major but startng and ending on the D minor Exmple :

I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A

as u can see i know how to make chord progressions in a certain mode .. but i don´t know how to answser this :

"Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"

it´s like i know how to do it.. but i don´t know how to explain it ..

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[ruben_mcn]

OK i THink i Know the answer to the question "Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"

IN the 3rd part:

- IN any major scale the minors are at II and III so 4 instance here:

I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A

The minors are D minor (II) and E minor(III) so the key is ©

NOw to see the mode since this scale is in the key of C and it starts with an D minor therefore we are in the D Dorian, cause D is the II in the scale of C Major (ionian)

In the 4 part:

The V is always the dominat 7 so for instance:

// D maj7 / B min7 / E min7 / A7 / D maj7 / F# min7 / G maj7 / A7 //

here the dominat 7 is A7 so if A7 is (V) the (I) that determines the key is D since this particular exemple starts with D maj7 this scale is in D Major (Ionian)

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[Pedja Simovic]

OK i THink i Know the answer to the question "Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode?"

IN the 3rd part:

- IN any major scale the minors are at II and III so 4 instance here:

I (D minor) - D/F/A
II (E minor) - E/G/B
III (F major) - F/A/C
IV (G major) - G/B/D
V (A minor) - A/C/E
VI (B diminished) - B/D/F
VII (C major) - C/E/G
VIII (D minor) - D/F/A

The minors are D minor (II) and E minor(III) so the key is ©

NOw to see the mode since this scale is in the key of C and it starts with an D minor therefore we are in the D Dorian, cause D is the II in the scale of C Major (ionian)

In the 4 part:

The V is always the dominat 7 so for instance:

// D maj7 / B min7 / E min7 / A7 / D maj7 / F# min7 / G maj7 / A7 //

here the dominat 7 is A7 so if A7 is (V) the (I) that determines the key is D since this particular exemple starts with D maj7 this scale is in D Major (Ionian)

Ruben read the posts again and make sure you read my responses to other guys. You will see why we use certain chord progressions for certain modes and why we label chords the way we label them. You got the first part perfectly (figuring out original major scale) but you need to read more on my modes post and modal chord progressions!)

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[ruben_mcn]

Here are the 4th part notes in C major..

I - C Maj7 - C E G B
II - Min7 - D F A C
III - E Min7 - E G B D
IV - F Maj7 - F A C E
V - G dom7 - G B D F
VI - A Min7 - A C E G
VII - B Min7b5 - B D F A
VIII - C Maj7 - C E G B

And to build a chord if i figured it out rigth you have to stack 2 thirds ( for the 3rd part chords) or 3 thirds ( 4 the 4th part chords) to the notes of the scale...

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[Pedja Simovic]

Here are the 4th part notes in C major..

I - C Maj7 - C E G B
II - Min7 - D F A C
III - E Min7 - E G B D
IV - F Maj7 - F A C E
V - G dom7 - G B D F
VI - A Min7 - A C E G
VII - B Min7b5 - B D F A
VIII - C Maj7 - C E G B

And to build a chord if i figured it out rigth you have to stack 2 thirds ( for the 3rd part chords) or 3 thirds ( 4 the 4th part chords) to the notes of the scale...

All correct answers Ruben, you just forgot to put D in front of Min7. Well done, get to other exercises now!

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Hi pedja could you give me a chord progression to use in my final awser ..?? =)

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[Pedja Simovic]

Hi pedja could you give me a chord progression to use in my final awser ..?? =)

Ruben here were the questions
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?

Chord progression must have some sort of TONIC and Dominant type chord at least. In best case scenario it will have Tonic Subdominant and Dominant type chords. In D Dorian tonic type chord is D min or D min7, characteristic note in D Dorian is major 6th which is B note. So you need chord or chords in C major scale that use B note in them! Those are E min, G maj, B dim as triads as well as E min7 G7 and B min7b5. B min7b5 is very similar to D min triad the only difference is in the bass note!!! So we are left with E min and G maj or E min7 G7. Your chord progression for D Dorian is then : D min / E min // or D min / G7 //

Let me know if you got any questions about everything I wrote down!

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Ruben here were the questions
- Write me what determines some chord progression to be in certain mode? How do we make a chord progression for D Dorian for example?

Chord progression must have some sort of TONIC and Dominant type chord at least. In best case scenario it will have Tonic Subdominant and Dominant type chords. In D Dorian tonic type chord is D min or D min7, characteristic note in D Dorian is major 6th which is B note. So you need chord or chords in C major scale that use B note in them! Those are E min, G maj, B dim as triads as well as E min7 G7 and B min7b5. B min7b5 is very similar to D min triad the only difference is in the bass note!!! So we are left with E min and G maj or E min7 G7. Your chord progression for D Dorian is then : D min / E min // or D min / G7 //

Let me know if you got any questions about everything I wrote down!

OK i think i have got it after reading your post and this post from JVM MTP :

"To determine what chord progressions are in what mode, you need to know the characteristic note of the mode. First it is helpful to separate the modes into Major and Minor families, and distinguish minor modes from the minor scale and major modes from the major scale (am I right in that assumption?) Since D Dorian's characteristic note is the VI, which is sharp compared to D minor, our Dorian cadence should have chords that contain that VI note ( B ). You can build three chords out of this note, with B in the root position (Bdim or Bmin7b5), B in the third position (Gmaj, G7) and B in the 5th position, which is Em or Em7. Since Bdim is so similar to Dmin, we don't use it as it can confuse us (right?). In addition to using these characteristic modal chords, we should obviously include the tonic (Dmin or variation of it) in the progression."

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[Pedja Simovic]

OK i think i have got it after reading your post and this post from JVM MTP :

"To determine what chord progressions are in what mode, you need to know the characteristic note of the mode. First it is helpful to separate the modes into Major and Minor families, and distinguish minor modes from the minor scale and major modes from the major scale (am I right in that assumption?) Since D Dorian's characteristic note is the VI, which is sharp compared to D minor, our Dorian cadence should have chords that contain that VI note ( B ). You can build three chords out of this note, with B in the root position (Bdim or Bmin7b5), B in the third position (Gmaj, G7) and B in the 5th position, which is Em or Em7. Since Bdim is so similar to Dmin, we don't use it as it can confuse us (right?). In addition to using these characteristic modal chords, we should obviously include the tonic (Dmin or variation of it) in the progression."

Exactly Ruben. As I said, it was all there in the original thread you just have to read it couple of times for it to click. Get to other assignment now

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Exactly Ruben. As I said, it was all there in the original thread you just have to read it couple of times for it to click. Get to other assignment now

Thanks pedja =) in the next assigment can i change some of the fingers positions on some chords (cause in some of them i have a hard time tryn to use same fingering as you cause of my fat fingers ) btw thre´s this partycular chord that i´m having a lot of trouble with :S (the C in the last 3 stings (strings 321) i don´t know how i will be able to do this one cause my fingers don´t it in the frets ...:S) ??

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Thanks pedja =) in the next assigment can i change some of the fingers positions on some chords (cause in some of them i have a hard time tryn to use same fingering as you cause of my fat fingers ) btw thre´s this partycular chord that i´m having a lot of trouble with :S (the C in the last 3 stings (strings 321) i don´t know how i will be able to do this one cause my fingers don´t it in the frets ...:S) ??

If you cant do it in that octave, drop it down 12 frets and you should be able to do it. I still recommend you practice it some more, it could be very good for your fingers

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[ruben_mcn]

If you cant do it in that octave, drop it down 12 frets and you should be able to do it. I still recommend you practice it some more, it could be very good for your fingers

Thank pedja,

I will Practice it a lot more =) i can do the C chord farly easly in a lower octave i will practice to see if i can make the c chord in the orginal positon ...(i´m just conserned cause it hurts my hand when i try to make this chord :S is this normal ?? )

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[Pedja Simovic]

Thank pedja,

I will Practice it a lot more =) i can do the C chord farly easly in a lower octave i will practice to see if i can make the c chord in the orginal positon ...(i´m just conserned cause it hurts my hand when i try to make this chord :S is this normal ?? )

You welcome Ruben. There shouldn't be any pain. If you are feeling any switch down an octave and you will be fine!

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[ruben_mcn]

You welcome Ruben. There shouldn't be any pain. If you are feeling any switch down an octave and you will be fine!

thanks i will do that =)

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[Pedja Simovic]

thanks i will do that =)

Great Ruben, look forward to your work man

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Hi pedja i have recorded my take on your c major scale triads pt 1 =)

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This post has been edited by ruben_mcn: Dec 28 2009, 10:30 PM