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Dec 15 2009, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 01:05 PM)  There is no standard rate or minimum rate. I know people that play a gig for 10 euros or less (1000 dinars or 500) and thats exactly what musician unions should do in those cases. I do however support idea of independent booking. I manged to book 8 solo gigs in advance and get payed upfront for them. Those were my conditions for 1st month of performance, after that we will arrange a new deal. The point is everybody has to fight their battle and find their path. Those government organizations won't give out money to anyone! You have to create a project, business plan, syllabus and basically show why your program should be picked out of other programs- again I say , it is all out there its just the meter of what we make out of it. The musicians union in Sweden do have minimum wages, but the same situation rules here as well - a lot of work is done outside the union because of all taxes, regulations and other thing that makes it difficult for a venue to hire a musician. What I was talking bout was actually the situation for jazz musicians in Sweden since they are experiencing some kind of "protectionism" along with the classical musicians. Of course there are ways for rock bands and such as well, but what Im saying really applies to the top-level jazz musicians like Jacob Karlzon, Anders Bergkrantz, Nils Landgren, Thomas Franck as well as some other well kown international Swedish jazz artists. The artists that are not so well-known maybe not benefit from these systems, but can still make a living imo. Its really as You are saying, its a matter of beeing creative and finding Your own gigs/opportunities in the business. When I was playing, I was never out of work - the reason I quitted was merely that I could'nt tour anymore because of my family, and had to play locally and got tired of playing the "wrong" music every night - it simply killed my creativity.... But it finally returned again, thank god!  Im very happy to hear that things are working out for you - that is really a great example of what is possible even that You are playing a "conniseurs" music. It just proves that everything is possible! //Staffay --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 22 2009, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 21 2009, 08:20 PM) Very sad to say the least......  That's my conclusion as well. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Dec 22 2009, 12:43 AM
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Dec 22 2009, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Dec 21 2009, 11:43 PM) Yeah, just seen it and replied That's a cool one from Jason
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Dec 22 2009, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 21 2009, 11:59 PM) 1) I got married young and I thought a musicians life would be tough on my family..... 2) Lack of talent........  Are you pretty much out of the whole music scene Emir or are you still pursuing a music career???? I don't agree with the 2nd one. You are extremely talented guitarist man. And even if you didn't get married the road is very difficult, you would understand it sooner or later. I haven't given up yet but waiting for some better times and opportunities. I am just on "stand by". -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Dec 22 2009, 01:37 AM
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In my honest opinion the whole music business is nothing else than crap, even that Im positive to the changes that we are going through now. Musicians never had it easy because of people ripping You off/gaining money at Your work. So nothing really has changed here. The music business is like all other business - its a fight about the money going on, and things like talent, skills etc. has nothing to do with success. Its rather contacts, looks, to be in style and everything bout the music itself that makes up an artist with some few exceptions. I really feel sorry for all talented musicians out there like Emir and others (including You lcsdds, I've been watching Your vids..
) who is struggling with their careers. But as I said, nothing is really new under the sun - beeing a musician is one of the hardest professions one can get, and has always been....//Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 22 2009, 03:55 AM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 22 2009, 12:28 AM) How do guys like Muris do nothing but Music??? He is the only one in that country that I know who can live of guitar. Trust me I know every single guitarist in Bosnia. He is the lucky one If I ever decide to go back and live there I don't think I would be that lucky even though everyone knows me there, TV, radio, magazines, bands, musicians ... He just happened to be the one and I am very happy for him.QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 22 2009, 12:37 AM) beeing a musician is one of the hardest professions one can get, and has always been.... True. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 22 2009, 02:34 AM) Emir , find the free song thread- this is your dedication Link? -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Dec 22 2009, 02:25 PM
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Link?[/quote] https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=32726 This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Dec 22 2009, 02:26 PM |
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Dec 22 2009, 04:23 PM
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Emir, Do you know the names/ web addresses of any websites
that pirate your album out to its users? If so, you can look up who owns that website (the registrar) and the web-hosting company being used to project it over the net via the link: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp In many cases results provided will show the street address, phone number, IP of the registrar (owner), etc. You can also start by reporting these pirates to the web-hosting company of the registrar itself, as well as to agencies like the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America)...: https://www.riaa.com/reportpiracy.php ...and to any other agencies that apply to regions where these website owners reside. Also check out ICANN : http://www.icann.org/tr/english.html ICANN does not control data sharing or distribution, but they do regulate (Internationally) web address allocation and provide useful information on how it all works. Moreover, take some screen shots of the pirating websites that advertise your album being offered before you report them - before the owner has a chance to find out it's HOT and removes the violating web-pages (to maintain proof). Anyway, it's a start. And for them, perhaps, the nightmare begins.... 
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Dec 22 2009, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 22 2009, 04:23 PM) Emir, Do you know the names/ web addresses of any websites that pirate your album out to its users? If so, you can look up who owns that website (the registrar) and the web-hosting company being used to project it over the net via the link: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp In many cases results provided will show the street address, phone number, IP of the registrar (owner), etc. You can also start by reporting these pirates to the web-hosting company of the registrar itself, as well as to agencies like the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America)...: https://www.riaa.com/reportpiracy.php ...and to any other agencies that apply to regions where these website owners reside. Also check out ICANN : http://www.icann.org/tr/english.html ICANN does not control data sharing or distribution, but they do regulate (Internationally) web address allocation and provide useful information on how it all works. Moreover, take some screen shots of the pirating websites that advertise your album being offered before you report them - before the owner has a chance to find out it's HOT and removes the violating web-pages (to maintain proof). Anyway, it's a start. And for them, perhaps, the nightmare begins.... Seems like that would be a full time job trying to keep up with that...... 
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Dec 22 2009, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 22 2009, 11:31 AM) Seems like that would be a full time job trying to keep up with that...... Anything worth while, like playing guitar for instance, may take some time. It appears to me, trying to appeal to the conscience of each and every potential buyer in the entire world not to accept illegal downloads at a discount or even for free warrants a much bigger challenge than what I suggested. Like the death of music. If you eliminate the bootlegger, the drinker has no place to go other than to a legitimate source. But unlike bootlegging or drug dealing, everything indexed on the internet is stored as data and traceable - you can run but you can't hide. Take a few down and that fear may create a domino effect. There is strength in numbers, hence, the musicians union I mentioned earlier. How many pirate sites can you find in one day? These are only suggestions. I read an article where a music company is attempting to sue all the people (tens of thousands) who downloaded music from a confiscated pirate site. Unfortunately, I did not bookmark that article and can't find it now. Point being, even those individuals who downloaded the music can be traced (via IP). There is also an IP Look-up database: http://ip-lookup.net But, this one usually only yields the users internet provider, through whom you might then obtain more information on the individual by lawful means. Anyway, when the going gets tough... Thanks for responding.
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