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post Dec 12 2009, 01:01 PM
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Well!


Hello...
this first, my forum is messed up... its like... bad with all blue links and stuff... maybe a java fix?

Anyway,
I'm starting to get the hang of jazz.
My guitar teacher is a jazz pro and is doing yearly jazz workshops yearly, these are 10 week 10 hour workshops which end in a jazz performance at the city's annual jazz week.

How it started:D

Reading an SRV interview.. he says : "I listend to Grant Green, that man's got some tone!"

So, straight onto youtube, badaboom, Grant Green, Allone Together.

Now that's my kinda jazz... not too "plain-jazz" but you can really hear bluesy influences.
I immediately tried to learn the first few melodic lines by ear (which I did) and let my teacher hear em.

I quote : " Now Jesse, do you know what chords go with that?"
Jesse: "Eeeerhehm No... I probably should"
Teacher: " Yeah, you should. Those lines are useless unless you know why they are played and how they're build."

So...we talked, and I'm trying to get deep into jazz, but I'm still somewhat floating on the surface.
(Wow, nice metaphore xD)

I'm most likely going to follow that jazz course of his,
and I'm now studying jazz with the material he prepared for last year's workshop.

So I've learned the 2-5-1 chords in C major, yes, in CAGED Format so I know all 5 positions.
I've learned the major shapes that go with the C Major CAGED format so I can start to solo a bit.

Okay.. that for theory, now I will explain how I discoverd that my ear had improved.

I found this website with 2-5-1 Jazz backing Loops which is completely awesome.
Some of you might know (and know now) that in the G Part in the Caged format of C Major, there is no F#... well, in whole of C Major there is no F# and it sounds pretty horrible.

But my ear discoverd a change or a slightly different chord in the backing , in which if you were to land on the F# at the end of a line on that chord, it sounds BEAUUUTIFUL, where as it normally won't sound at all.
So... conclusion = Jazz is awesome and my ear has improved.


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post Dec 12 2009, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (Jesse @ Dec 12 2009, 07:01 AM) *
Well!


Hello...
this first, my forum is messed up... its like... bad with all blue links and stuff... maybe a java fix?

Anyway,
I'm starting to get the hang of jazz.
My guitar teacher is a jazz pro and is doing yearly jazz workshops yearly, these are 10 week 10 hour workshops which end in a jazz performance at the city's annual jazz week.

How it started:D

Reading an SRV interview.. he says : "I listend to Grant Green, that man's got some tone!"

So, straight onto youtube, badaboom, Grant Green, Allone Together.

Now that's my kinda jazz... not too "plain-jazz" but you can really hear bluesy influences.
I immediately tried to learn the first few melodic lines by ear (which I did) and let my teacher hear em.

I quote : " Now Jesse, do you know what chords go with that?"
Jesse: "Eeeerhehm No... I probably should"
Teacher: " Yeah, you should. Those lines are useless unless you know why they are played and how they're build."

So...we talked, and I'm trying to get deep into jazz, but I'm still somewhat floating on the surface.
(Wow, nice metaphore xD)

I'm most likely going to follow that jazz course of his,
and I'm now studying jazz with the material he prepared for last year's workshop.

So I've learned the 2-5-1 chords in C major, yes, in CAGED Format so I know all 5 positions.
I've learned the major shapes that go with the C Major CAGED format so I can start to solo a bit.

Okay.. that for theory, now I will explain how I discoverd that my ear had improved.

I found this website with 2-5-1 Jazz backing Loops which is completely awesome.
Some of you might know (and know now) that in the G Part in the Caged format of C Major, there is no F#... well, in whole of C Major there is no F# and it sounds pretty horrible.

But my ear discoverd a change or a slightly different chord in the backing , in which if you were to land on the F# at the end of a line on that chord, it sounds BEAUUUTIFUL, where as it normally won't sound at all.
So... conclusion = Jazz is awesome and my ear has improved.


Hey Jesse sounds like you have a real good thing going there with your teacher. I am taking lessons also with a local instructor that is the same way but in a more blues way I guess you could say.

I am also learning Chords and scale positions using the CAGED method. It has really helped me understand how Chords work and how to solo over each chord and all the theory that goes with it. Especially when you use the circle of 5ths along with it.

So now when I am practicing I will always take time to do something like play the Major and Minor chord for each Pentatonic position before and after I play that position and then I will play the same 2 chords in the next position which requires me to play the chords in a different shape.

I will stop here so as not to hijack your thread. I just thought it was cool that someone else is finding success going through the same process. I have found this is a really great system for me also. smile.gif

Now I am going to run off to Youtube to check out this Grant Green guy smile.gif

Just listened to Grant Green, Ain't it Funky Now! Very good and yes very funky. I liked it. Will be adding Grant Green to my ipod. Thanks Jesse!

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post Dec 12 2009, 02:01 PM
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The F# note on a C-chord will produce a very nice chord, and many modern players use it to replace the standard major-scale over the I-chord, it is also good to land on in song endings.... Theoretically, added to a Cmaj9 it will produce a Cmaj9#11 which corresponding scale will be C-D-E-F#-G-A-B-C, actually the same as the G-major scale. Another version will also be to include the raised 5 producing a scale like: C-D-E-F#-G#-A-B-C wchich in turn is a melodic minor scale fingering in the key of A .... Actually its possible to play whole II-V-I's using just the melodic minor approach, which many modern players does. This scale is also known as half-whole tone scale or the super-locrian scale (with the 5 as root). So basically every chord in the diatonic scale can have its equivalent in a melodic minor fingering..... Now thats some beauty bout jazz! smile.gif

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post Dec 12 2009, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (Jesse @ Dec 12 2009, 12:01 PM) *
But my ear discoverd a change or a slightly different chord in the backing , in which if you were to land on the F# at the end of a line on that chord, it sounds BEAUUUTIFUL, where as it normally won't sound at all.
So... conclusion = Jazz is awesome and my ear has improved.

You were actually playing C lydian scale which still works over the I chord in some situations. If you were in G major then your note would be maj7 interval which is very nice note in jazz phrase resolution.


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post Dec 12 2009, 04:27 PM
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I was then probably playing ofer the 5th in the 2-5-1 in the C major prog..

because that is G7


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post Dec 12 2009, 05:14 PM
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I've never heard of him, just watched this video:



I see what you are saying about the blues there,



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post Dec 12 2009, 10:17 PM
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Jazz will certainly be a potent addition to your skills mate, Larry Carlton's style is an amazing mix of jazz and blues, I love his stuff, maybe you can be the next larry???
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First Jesse tongue.gif


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