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Daniel Realpe
post Dec 14 2009, 04:18 PM
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80s Metal Riff Collaboration


Attached File  80s_Metal_riff_Collaboration_Final_Mix.mp3 ( 11.69MB ) Number of downloads: 277


Number of participants: 10

Amazing takes everyone! Thank you very much for being part of it. Here are some comments I wrote for your individual takes:

- Chris Evans: (0:00 – 0:50)

Metal as it can get!! Nailed in the head, smile.gif
Harmony works great! It’s interesting to see that the sound wave in your take looks small but sounds very loud. You probed that loudness doesn’t depend on volume many times, but EQ and amp choice.
The bass was not included on the isolated track.
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- Skennington: (0:50 - 1:39)

Nice take! You intuitively found the right harmony. I know there are not many options when you have a lead on top. I guess that’s why they call it lead. smile.gif
I liked the variation you did at the end using the 6th step of the minor scale, very metal!
Careful with your timing at the end. Also there was a sudden stop when coming back to the main riff, that makes the riff sound somewhat insecure. Tone sounds big and full.
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- Enforcer: (1:39 - 2:28)

You found another harmony for the “bridge” part! I hadn’t thought about that one, and also at the beginning you managed to throw a C there nicely!
The harmonized guitars sound big and full, good choice for the mix in my opinion. Nice tone for riffing!
You nailed the metal man! Great job! Thank you for the upload!

- Rated Htr: (2:28 - 3:18)

You added a lead on top! Props to you for that effort! I liked when the harmonized come in, go very well with the keys. They are a little loud in the mix though, the “rule” is, the more guitars the lower the volume they need to have.
There are some notes that don’t work over the BT, like the D# and the D on the bridge part.
Your tone is very 80’ish which is great for this particular genre,
Nice job!

- NoSkill: (3:18 - 4:11)

Flangered riffing! Nice! Main riff was pretty cool! Metal!
Bridge doesn’t work in my opinion. You can use a C there. Or G, there are really not many options.
Loved the octaves when coming back, nice take! Thank you for the upload.

- Jafomatic: (4:11 - 5:05)

More of a death metal approach in my opinion, nice!
The bridge part is not too clear. I noticed you used syncopation but the timing is a little off on that part. The harmony you utilized seems too work but it’s not clear. What I do and many bands do too is to pan two guitars hard L and hard R even if they are doing the same thing. With little distortion, this makes it sound very clear.
The tone can be a little fuzzy inside the mix, EQ could solve this quickly, more mids maybe, less dist.
Great take! Thank you for participating!

- Neurologi: (5:05 - 5:54)

Very interesting take! You start off with regular metal a nice chord progression that works. On the bridge there are some chords that sound really cool and interesting, but probably when the first one appears it doesn’t establish a clear harmonic background, well but that’s my perception.
At the end you opened up nicely the initial chord progression with harmony, it really gives a nice effect.
Your tone could be more open, it still sounds like it’s coming from a small amp. It lacks some highs for this type of riffing. Great take! Thank you for being part of it!

- Dexxter: (5:54 - 6:44)

Nice dist! Very maiden, you nailed it man. Little details here and there really gave life to the riff. For instance the doubled guitar an octave higher !
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- Hammerhead: (6:44 - 7:33)

Props for you for developing an idea in your head and shape it like a true metal riff!
The notes you chose are part of a scale different from the scale on the lead keyboards, so that makes it sound off. I think you chose Dm while the keys are in Em, there’s a big conflict there.
You panned the guitar to the right. If you are using only one guitar it’s better to leave in the center.
The ending is actually faded out, careful with that.
Thank you for participating and I hope you are feeling better smile.gif

- Daniel Realpe (7:33 - 8:30)

It wasn't an easy riff to write for me. It took some time the bridge part. Let's experiment with other collaborations like this in the future!

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post Dec 14 2009, 04:34 PM
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Thanks for the comments, and taking the time to do the collab and final mix, Daniel!

Cheers!

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post Dec 14 2009, 04:35 PM
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post Dec 14 2009, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 14 2009, 04:18 PM) *
- Dexxter: (5:54 - 6:44)

Nice dist! Very maiden, you nailed it man. Little details here and there really gave life to the riff. For instance the doubled guitar an octave higher !
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post Dec 14 2009, 06:23 PM
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Well done everybody!! Thanks for putting up such a fantastic collab for us to work on. It was the first time for me harmonising guitar parts and I haven't really worked on riffs in years either. Pretty tough. So, this was a real learning experience and sure would love to experiment further in a future collab. Keep 'em comin'!

As far as my tone goes, I wish I could do it all over again. Since then, I have disabled a hi-cut filter early in the signal chain and it sure does make a big difference. Exactly as you described - a more open sound. Well up until joining GMC I was setup for a "live sound" cranking at full volume. Finding a balance using the recording outs instead has proved to be quite difficult without the poweramp and speaker cabinet to provide the muscle. Another learning experience right there but inch-by-inch getting there ...


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post Dec 15 2009, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE (NoSkill @ Dec 14 2009, 04:34 PM) *
Thanks for the comments, and taking the time to do the collab and final mix, Daniel!

Cheers!

Tom


thank you for participating!

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Dec 14 2009, 04:35 PM) *
Thanks for the comments, glad to be part of it smile.gif


Glad that you joined! smile.gif

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 14 2009, 06:23 PM) *
Well done everybody!! Thanks for putting up such a fantastic collab for us to work on. It was the first time for me harmonising guitar parts and I haven't really worked on riffs in years either. Pretty tough. So, this was a real learning experience and sure would love to experiment further in a future collab. Keep 'em comin'!

As far as my tone goes, I wish I could do it all over again. Since then, I have disabled a hi-cut filter early in the signal chain and it sure does make a big difference. Exactly as you described - a more open sound. Well up until joining GMC I was setup for a "live sound" cranking at full volume. Finding a balance using the recording outs instead has proved to be quite difficult without the poweramp and speaker cabinet to provide the muscle. Another learning experience right there but inch-by-inch getting there ...


Thank you for joining!

do you mean that you stopped using the amp and mic and now you are using direct recording?




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post Dec 15 2009, 06:06 AM
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Daniel,
Thanks for the collaboration...all of the takes were great. Now that you mention it, I was in the wrong key! "Dm while the keys are in Em, there’s a big conflict there."

OOooooPppppppssssssssss. I noticed all that dissonance... huh.gif Next time I'll pay more attention dry.gif Really

Thanks for your take at the end, I really feel like I learned a tremendous amount from everybody!
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and thanks... I am feeling better!

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post Dec 15 2009, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Dec 15 2009, 04:53 AM) *
do you mean that you stopped using the amp and mic and now you are using direct recording?

In a word. Yes. Triaxis as preamp recorded direct. G-Major for effects. No poweramp. No speaker cab. No mic. It feels much more like sound design now which has taken up a bucketload of my time. I live in an apartment. So I can only shake the walls just so much before I need to look for somewhere else to live ... tongue.gif

Maybe I should just give up and buy a Pod like everyone else?

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post Dec 15 2009, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 15 2009, 09:24 AM) *
In a word. Yes. Triaxis as preamp recorded direct. G-Major for effects. No poweramp. No speaker cab. No mic. It feels much more like sound design now which has taken up a bucketload of my time. I live in an apartment. So I can only shake the walls just so much before I need to look for somewhere else to live ... tongue.gif

Maybe I should just give up and buy a Pod like everyone else?


I don't think so, no,

That Triaxis seems like a nice device, as long as it can give you what you need,

I use the POD X3 and it's very versatile so I'm good with it,

I too live in an apartment, so the wall shaking goes up until certain hours biggrin.gif


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post Dec 15 2009, 05:01 PM
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Hey Daniel, thanks for the advice and this rocking collab. smile.gif I enjoyed listening to all of you guys! Rock on..\m/..\m/


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post Dec 16 2009, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE (skennington @ Dec 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
Hey Daniel, thanks for the advice and this rocking collab. smile.gif I enjoyed listening to all of you guys! Rock on..\m/..\m/


thanks for being part of it! Enjoyed it too biggrin.gif \m/


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Thanks for the comments man, looking forward to your next collab biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (enforcer @ Dec 16 2009, 12:43 AM) *
Thanks for the comments man, looking forward to your next collab biggrin.gif


Thank you for participating! smile.gif


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ooh missed this!! thanks for taking the time to put this tgether Daniel!! enjoyed doing it, thanks for your comments smile.gif

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