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TreyDeschamp
post Dec 20 2009, 07:02 PM
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So from what my Dad has been telling me I can't tune my guitar down until I get my Bridge fixed for it. So my questions are:
1. How do I do this?
2. Where could I get this done for me?
3. How much would it cost?
4. How long would it take?



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post Dec 20 2009, 07:05 PM
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wait what?


whats wrong with your bridge?


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Marc_Maiden @ Dec 20 2009, 12:05 PM) *
wait what?


whats wrong with your bridge?


That's the thing, I'm really not sure. I don't know much about Floyd Rose bridges and the like, but my Dad is say that to tune to these tunings I am going to have to get my bridge adjusted or something like that.


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:09 PM
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Are you talking about your new Alexi LTD?

Ofcourse you can droptune that guitar without blocking your trem! You have to set the trem/springs/guitar up for that tuning and use thicker string (I recommend 11-54 Ernie Balls for drop C).

When everything is set up right you can play in your desired tuning and you can whammy the hell our of it.

REMEMBER that you can switch from drop c to d standard in an instant like on a non-trem guitar. Your tremolo needs to be rebalanced and set up for each individual tuning so make sure to choose one tuning and then stay with it!!


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:11 PM
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zack nailed it on the head...



you should have two guitars now, so keep each one in different tuning, your new one should be in the tuning you play in the most! If i was you though, i would take it to a luthier to get it set up, and watch him do it so you learn how to do it next time.


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Dec 20 2009, 12:09 PM) *
Are you talking about your new Alexi LTD?

Ofcourse you can droptune that guitar without blocking your trem! You have to set the trem/springs/guitar up for that tuning and use thicker string (I recommend 11-54 Ernie Balls for drop C).

When everything is set up right you can play in your desired tuning and you can whammy the hell our of it.

REMEMBER that you can switch from drop c to d standard in an instant like on a non-trem guitar. Your tremolo needs to be rebalanced and set up for each individual tuning so make sure to choose one tuning and then stay with it!!


Yeah it's my Alexi. He said I need my springs tightened. So wait, I can't tune back and forth between Drop C and D standard?


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:20 PM
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Nope, you can skip fast between tunings.

For drop c for example: thicker strings are needed, the tunig is lower than standard. To keep the tremolo floating in the right position the string tension needs to be equal to the string tension in the desired tuning. If you tune the low c up to a d you break that balance and the trem will not be in the right position, the strings will detune, etc...

You would have to set the trem up for a balance with the d standard tuning whe changing the tuning. That's the one bad thing about floating tremolos. On the other sidem they never go out of tune if set up right and you can get really cool sounds from them.

Have a guitar tech set your guitar up for the tuning because it's a bit complicated to do if you have never seen it. Let the tech do it in front of you and let him explain hoe the trem works !!!


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Dec 20 2009, 12:20 PM) *
Nope, you can skip fast between tunings.

For drop c for example: thicker strings are needed, the tunig is lower than standard. To keep the tremolo floating in the right position the string tension needs to be equal to the string tension in the desired tuning. If you tune the low c up to a d you break that balance and the trem will not be in the right position, the strings will detune, etc...

You would have to set the trem up for a balance with the d standard tuning whe changing the tuning. That's the one bad thing about floating tremolos. On the other sidem they never go out of tune if set up right and you can get really cool sounds from them.

Have a guitar tech set your guitar up for the tuning because it's a bit complicated to do if you have never seen it. Let the tech do it in front of you and let him explain hoe the trem works !!!


Thanks man! But my next question, thinking about this and reading what you have posted, how much would I be spending if I got my Alexi put in Drop-C and my Jackson Kelly but in D standard?


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:37 PM
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It really depeds on the store/luthier that does the set-up, dude...

10$ for two packs of strings as you are tuning lower now. 9s will feel too wobbly and even 10 are to thin to get a tight sound in d or even c. I would say 10-52 (heavy bottom) for d standard and 11-54 for drop c should give a good feel and sound tight. I prefer Ernie balls but that is up to your preferance.

Try to go to the store were you bought the Alexi and have them do the setup, some stores set guitars bought in their shops up for free.
If you are unlucky and have to pay for setting up both guitars I would say the minimum would be 15$ for each guitar setup but some stores/luthiers are really expensive - I have seen some demand almost 50$ or more for a setup. Try to compare prices and find the cheapest!


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Dec 20 2009, 12:37 PM) *
It really depeds on the store/luthier that does the set-up, dude...

10$ for two packs of strings as you are tuning lower now. 9s will feel too wobbly and even 10 are to thin to get a tight sound in d or even c. I would say 10-52 (heavy bottom) for d standard and 11-54 for drop c should give a good feel and sound tight. I prefer Ernie balls but that is up to your preferance.

Try to go to the store were you bought the Alexi and have them do the setup, some stores set guitars bought in their shops up for free.
If you are unlucky and have to pay for setting up both guitars I would say the minimum would be 15$ for each guitar setup but some stores/luthiers are really expensive - I have seen some demand almost 50$ or more for a setup. Try to compare prices and find the cheapest!


Okay thanks! How long would this take also? Is it an overnight type deal or is it something that is done in a few hours?


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (TreyDeschamp @ Dec 20 2009, 07:39 PM) *
Okay thanks! How long would this take also? Is it an overnight type deal or is it something that is done in a few hours?


Again, It depends on where you do it.

If you bring your guitars to a luthier who is really busy, he will do it when he has finished his other work, which could take a day or two.
It could very well be that you go into a store and the salesman does it right on the spot and you can leave the stoe with two set up guitars an hour later.

I am not a pro but it takes me half an hour to completely change the strings and set the guitar up to a new tuning on a Floyd Rose guitar.


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post Dec 20 2009, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Dec 20 2009, 12:46 PM) *
Again, It depends on where you do it.

If you bring your guitars to a luthier who is really busy, he will do it when he has finished his other work, which could take a day or two.
It could very well be that you go into a store and the salesman does it right on the spot and you can leave the stoe with two set up guitars an hour later.

I am not a pro but it takes me half an hour to completely change the strings and set the guitar up to a new tuning on a Floyd Rose guitar.


Well either way thank you man! You answered all of my questions.


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Great help here Zakk, you already said what I was going to,smile.gif


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