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post Jan 7 2010, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jan 6 2010, 09:49 PM) *
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post Jan 7 2010, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (shredmaster1393 @ Jan 6 2010, 11:40 PM) *
i think it will because i have a 15 watt and i have to keep volume on level 1 and if i put it on 10, i am pretty sure i could break a window or somethin. and thats just the 15 watt viper, it would be alot louder if i had the 30 or 75 watt viper.


No it will certainly not!
No offense but volume can't be set into relation. For example your 15 watts are way to loud cranked in your home but that is in relation to the loudness level you have at home: None.

While 15 watt seem to be too loud at home, next to a drummer they are barely hearable! Now add another guitar, bass and a singer - maybe an audiance of a couple of hundred people and you wont be able to tell if you amp is on or not!
Also Solid State Amps of the same wattage are not as loud as Tube amps, dunno why, maybe the tube amps just cut better and feel louder but not really are...


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post Jan 7 2010, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jan 7 2010, 08:09 PM) *
Also Solid State Amps of the same wattage are not as loud as Tube amps, dunno why, maybe the tube amps just cut better and feel louder but not really are...

watts is just a measure so 100 watts from a solid state or tube amp is infact the same.
The sound wave is built up differently between the two so the tube sound is picked up by the ear in another way than the solid state sound.
Interpreted as louder though it's not. I suppose the dynamic and harmonic tones makes the sound wider and fuller hence picked up as louder as far as I can understand.

One other reason that I never seen debated but I can think if is that the cranked 100 watt solid state puts out 100 watt through the speakers while a cranked and distorted tube amp puts out something like a maximum of 150-180 watts or so. AB testing the two with the same volume dialed in could be misleading. Needs a measuring instrument to determine the output for a fair comparance. Still ith the instrument measuring an equal output the tube amp would be understood as louder by ones ear.
A win win situation for the tube amp. smile.gif


And true. 30 watts is too little. I've played a 30 watter in a ~30 sqm room which was alright. Also in a 100 sqm room where it was way too weak, + the single 12" speaker didn't spread the sound well at all.
50 w tube amp (concidering it'll put out more wattage than the stamped lable says) or a 100 watt SS I guess would be fine.


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post Jan 7 2010, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jan 7 2010, 08:34 PM) *
50 w tube amp (concidering it'll put out more wattage than the stamped lable says) or a 100 watt SS I guess would be fine.


Pretty much what I said 20 posts ago! It feels good to have you oppinion supported by a pro biggrin.gif

Randall will work in the Metal Ballpark for sure although I haven't played that model - the bigger heads sure do!
I suggested the 6505 because I just love the amp for Metal (I am going to buy the combo as soon as it is released) and so many great Metal and Metalcore bands get their sound from the Peavey 5150/6505 amps:

Arch Enemy
Killswitch Engage
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Bullet For My Vallentine
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post Jan 7 2010, 09:43 PM
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Reading this i am really considering buying a 6505 combo


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QUOTE (superize @ Jan 7 2010, 09:43 PM) *
Reading this i am really considering buying a 6505 combo


I am going to buy one for home use and to have a portable amp for jam sessions as it really is a pain in the lower back to move my halfstack arround for just a quick jam with a drummer or so...

60 Watt tube is really loud though! It is too loud for using it at home when you have picky neighbours, even on volume one!
I will use it only on daytime and switch to guitar-rig and headphones for the evenings...


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post Jan 7 2010, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (superize @ Jan 7 2010, 09:43 PM) *
Reading this i am really considering buying a 6505 combo

Me too... If they make a 5 watter for home recording laugh.gif
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post Jan 7 2010, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jan 7 2010, 08:34 PM) *
watts is just a measure so 100 watts from a solid state or tube amp is infact the same.
The sound wave is built up differently between the two so the tube sound is picked up by the ear in another way than the solid state sound.
Interpreted as louder though it's not. I suppose the dynamic and harmonic tones makes the sound wider and fuller hence picked up as louder as far as I can understand.

One other reason that I never seen debated but I can think if is that the cranked 100 watt solid state puts out 100 watt through the speakers while a cranked and distorted tube amp puts out something like a maximum of 150-180 watts or so. AB testing the two with the same volume dialed in could be misleading. Needs a measuring instrument to determine the output for a fair comparance. Still ith the instrument measuring an equal output the tube amp would be understood as louder by ones ear.
A win win situation for the tube amp. smile.gif


And true. 30 watts is too little. I've played a 30 watter in a ~30 sqm room which was alright. Also in a 100 sqm room where it was way too weak, + the single 12" speaker didn't spread the sound well at all.
50 w tube amp (concidering it'll put out more wattage than the stamped lable says) or a 100 watt SS I guess would be fine.

True. Tube amp is not louder than SS one (if we presume that the cabinet used for both is the same). It just produces more pleasant harmonic overtones so it sounds better on high volumes, thus allowing the players to crank it and still sound good. SS amp would be just as loud, but nobody wants to use it cranked, this is the main reason it's "less loud". So, some headroom is needed on the SS one, I would agree 100% with the 50W tube/100W SS statement, it's a good comparison.



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post Jan 8 2010, 01:10 AM
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Well... the 6505 looks like very decent choice... I might even wait for a while and go right for it, but the problem is, it costs twice the price in Czech Republic (neighbouring country..... what the hell???)

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post Jan 8 2010, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Jan 8 2010, 01:10 AM) *
Well... the 6505 looks like very decent choice... I might even wait for a while and go right for it, but the problem is, it costs twice the price in Czech Republic (neighbouring country..... what the hell???)


Make sure you are looking at the 1x12 Combo! There is also a 2x12 combo which has 120watt and costs 1100 Euros!

I am pretty sure Thomann ships to Czech Republic!
Also there are no taxes or customs within Europe, why not take a trip over the border and just buy it in Germany and drive right back?

EDIT:

Just checked, Thomann ships to the Chzech Republik, shipping is 15 Euros!

http://www.thomann.de/de/peavey_6505_112_combo.htm

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post Jan 9 2010, 05:19 PM
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If you can wait for a while to get a hold of the 6505, I also advise this, because it's a great tube metal amp. I haven't tested the combo, I only played 6505+ head into JSX cab, and that indeed grinds.

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Throwing in another amp for you to concider, preamp tube in it, Randall RG200 G3 Plus. Listend to a few sound clips and it sounds pretty metal core to me cool.gif I was a little bit surprised over how mean-good it sounds, the sound clips I mean.


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post Jan 10 2010, 01:22 AM
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Well that Randall is even more expensive than that peavey and its way over my budget biggrin.gif


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post Jan 10 2010, 01:25 AM
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I agree with Micke, although the 200W version is a 212 combo, which means it is a bit heavier, so it may be a bit of a transporting problem. It will give away more fuller range than 112 combo on the other hand.


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