Classic Rock Collaboration, UPLOADS HERE |
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Jan 15 2010, 02:26 AM
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Here you can post uploads for the classic rock collab. I'll be doing text comments as you post your takes, and the deadline is in 2 weeks.
Here's the backing, have fun  backing This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jan 15 2010, 02:27 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 16 2010, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (UncleSkillet @ Jan 16 2010, 07:20 AM)  Heads up!! You didn't include your guitar trak with this upload bro. It's just the backing track you uploaded.  Thanks.... I'll have to see what happened!Let me see if this works... 
This post has been edited by Hammerhead: Jan 16 2010, 07:29 PM
Attached File(s)
Classic_Rock_take_3_consolidated_consolidated.mp3 ( 655.63K )
Number of downloads: 257
Classic_Rock_take_3NBT_consolidated_consolidated.mp3 ( 655.63K )
Number of downloads: 209-------------------- When I look down at my hands... I see "FINGERS of DOOM"
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Jan 16 2010, 07:12 PM
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Hi there Ivan, very nice backingtrack! I enjoyed playing to it:)
Here is the take with the backing:
crocke.mp3 ( 657.74K )
Number of downloads: 267Here's without:
crockwithout.mp3 ( 578.56K )
Number of downloads: 206EDIT: I think the open string run-like lick is bit to long, but as it was a long time since I played such thing and just couldn't change it 
This post has been edited by Marek Rojewski: Jan 16 2010, 07:13 PM |
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Jan 16 2010, 09:20 PM
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Hey Ivan,
Here is my take, enjoyed playing over it. Edit: somehow I could not attach the right files (when I uploaded them, totally different files were played when downloaded, so here are the mp3's from my own webspace: Without Backing With Backing This post has been edited by Velvet Roger: Jan 16 2010, 09:30 PM -------------------- "Don't practice until you get it right. Practice until you can't get it wrong." Guitars & Amps Brian Moore DC-1 Custom Shop (Cherry Sunburst, mahogany/rosewood) Eric Johnson Signature Strat (2-tone Sunburst, alder/maple) Ibanez RG770 (Black, basswood/rosewood) Peerless Journeyman (solid spruce/maple) Sixt Bov-105C (Ovation-like acoustic) - Ibanez SGT-130 (Jumbo acoustic) London City VS-1 (Precision bass) - Baton Rouge U3S (Ukelele) Fender HotRod Deluxe 40W combo - Fender Princeton Reverb Reissue 5W combo - Marshall JCM 900 50W Hi-Gain combo Effects & Other stuff POD Studio UX2 audio interface - Edirol MA-15D monitors EH Double Muff - Fulltone GT-500 - Fulltone Fulldrive 2 Mosfet - Guitarsystems TrebleTool Junior - Guitarsystems FuzzTool Junior Korg Pitchblack Tuner - MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay - TC Electronics Nova Modulator - Morley Bad Horsie 2 Wah Shure SM58 - Roland PCR-500 midi controller/keyboard & Yamaha Clavinova CL-910 piano My Website My MySpace Page My YouTube Channel My Twitter Account My Band 'Gonzo!' |
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Jan 17 2010, 04:58 PM
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Hi Ivan!
I LOVE the Backtrack and this collab - it was really easy for me to get into this one - thanks for that. So here is my take (if you think the guitar part is too low I can re-mix it - I try to learn in that aspect as well as you know )
Berglmir_ClassicRock_WBT.mp3 ( 927.09K )
Number of downloads: 292
Berglmir_ClassicRock_NBT.mp3 ( 705.33K )
Number of downloads: 210You might also remember that I have had some issues with rendering in Reaper - main problem was that I could not get the sound I was hearing into the mp3 file. Well, I found a work-around that works for me - and maybe for some of you as well: In Reaper I render into FLAC (lossless format) The I open the file with foobar 2000 (file sounds exactly the way I heard on my speakers/headphones) and from THERE I convert it into mp3. I notice quite a big difference in sound & tone quality after converting (that´s obviously the price for smaller data packages) but its MUCH better than from a Reaper rendering. Just wanted to share this with all of you - worth a try if you are struggeling with rendering issues in Reaper. Cheers 
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Jan 17 2010, 06:10 PM
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Hammehead:
Rhythm: By listening to your take as a whole, I think you managed to create some interesting moments in terms of rhythmical phrasing, there are peaks and lows, with longer notes, and faster notes, and somehow it all fits in. On the other hand, in the whole take there is evident lack of timing, and this may be your biggest problem as a player. You must work on your timing to make it as precise as possible. Almost all the notes in this take didn't match up with the drums properly, and there are places where the notes are very much outside of the beat completely. You should be able to play the notes with a good understandment of where the notes will drop inside a bar. Phrasing: You phrasing skills are good, and build up is very nice. There is a start, climax and good ending in this solo, and I like the way you transferred into higher octave in the second part. However, you didn't do very much on accenting the strong notes properly, or creating a melody or main theme, or anything catchy that will stand out in this solo. When I listen to solo on it's own I cannot hear any good melody, or structure, although the build up is there, you haven't really connected the solo with the chords in the backing. I advise more scale learning, learning diatonic scale and modes, and chords inside those scales, so you understand better how to form melodies. Technique: Your technique is decent, and you played all the stuff nicely. You have major problem with muting techniques, lot of the noise comes from not being able to mute the strings that are not suppose to ring out. Other problem is not having proper control over the pick, so some notes are heard less loud, some more loud. This is OK for dynamics, but here it is happening randomly. Sound: Since you told me to give you straight answers, the tone here is not good. It has buzzines, lack of mids (which prevents the guitar being heard in the mix), and has tons of unnecessary delay with very big feedback and reverb too. If you plan to use delay on this kind of track, bare in mind that feedback should be maximum 3 repeats (that is often too much as well), and level of it should be very low. Delay and reverb should also be put on separate effects track, so you can EQ then so they come out of the mix. This is the way delay is suppose to be heard, not by increasing level and feedback. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 20 2010, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Jan 18 2010, 03:59 AM) Thank you Ivan! Yes I did ask you to really tell me This is great feedback here for me as well as advice on how to improve! This is what I need to hear  Now I will set to work to make corrections. I can say that my timing is not very good, which I only recently discovered by doing collaborations. This is in part because I've never really listened to the "beat" before, but I think I took it for granted as more of a backdrop that I could do what ever I wanted over the top? Now I am learning that I have to work WITH the beat. My picking is very weak and I've had to almost start over with picking exercises  I guess I never took picking too seriously and relied a lot on hammer on/ pull off technique (legato). It has now made it harder for me to regulate the "dynamics" of my notes because I'm struggling to pick each note. So I'm having to return to the basics now, to clean up my sloppy playing, I will work on my muting as well. I also have no idea how to use my effects...  which is not as crazy as it sounds I suppose. I've dug around the web for help in this area, but no one I could find really talks about how to "record" with effects to bring out the best sounds. Because I love delay, I think I tend to use it way too much, but again it's all been trial and error, I tweak a knob and play a bit, then tweak another knob... you know. I could spend all day tweaking and not really get too far since I have access to a boat load of effects (Tone Lab LE). I appreciate/need the advice regarding the Tone and quality of my recording. So Thanks for the "Straight up" about my playing... if I didn't seriously want to get better, I would not ask you to be honest I will see if I can go do my "homework" and post again before the deadline. I can at least see if I can make real improvements in the Tone/sound department, The other areas will take some time... Very nice feedback from you, thank you. I think you did very good take, and we are all hear to learn something. All the problems you wrote about here are common and they are not that difficult to correct, as long as you focus on them during practice. Regarding tone, we can all help a lot, you just need to ask questions on the forum. Here are some general tips on how to tweak the guitar tone in DAW: - use high pass filter to cut the guitar track bellow 80-100Hz (bellow that is only bass rumble that is not directly associated with guitar tones, since the low E string is @ 82.4Hz). this bass information can muddy up your mix. - leave the mids on the guitar track on 0dB (the mids could be found between 300-800Hz) - it's often better to cut the EQ on the guitar track than to boost it. So, if you want to accent mids, it is often better to leave the part you want to boost on 0dB, and lower down everything else a bit. This way you ensure that EQ will not cause any distortion or other issues. - when placing effects, try not to overdo it. Delay time is often better to be synced with the track in 8th triplets or 8ths, depending on the track. This will make delay follow the beat more naturally. Adjust the delay feedback to 2-3 audible repeats, and listen for the final mix to see how delay is being heard. - when choosing a reverb, perhaps it is good to choose a shorter reverb time with reverb that isn't too loud. This will ensure that your core tone is not being colored by reverb too much. Also, you can try to cut the low frequencies of the reverb so you get more reverb in higher frequencies instead of low. - remember that mixing guitars is all about how well the sit in the mix, not how well it sounds on their own. Often you will hear guitars that sit in the mix well, and when you solo the track it will sound thin and mid-focused. Try not to adjust the guitar track on it's own, but use the tone shaping features to adapt it to the mix. Listen on both speakers and headphones and try to find a setting that works well on both. - Do the tweaking in small increments. Less is more with mixing. +/- 3dB can make big difference on different audio playback systems, so be carefully not to make some extreme settings. The more extreme settings, the less chance it will work on everybody's playback system properly. Marek Rojewski: Rhythm: Great rhythmic structure in this solo. All the important elements are there, and there is a very cool progression towards the end of the solo. I think the playing went very good here, and the only thing I noticed is that the 16th note ascending patterns had some very small timing problems here and there. This could be the problem with different positions used, so it may be wise to rehearse all the positions equally well (some are great, 1 or 2 were not as perfect, but still solid). The very last bit was a nice finish too. Phrasing: The phrasing in the first part was very good with cool call&response phrase pairs. In the second part there is a build up using pentatonic scale, and that went well too. The last bit was solid as well. My impression as a listener was that the first part could have better connection with the 16th notes. Possible an phrasing effect could be inserted between like a big slide or pick scratching over the strings. Another suggestion may be the use of similar notes in the end of the first part and the beginning of the 16th note part, this would create a more balanced melodic line. As for the finish it was good and effective, but I have the feeling there is one or two notes that are not needed. Technique: In general, the take was nicely played with solid picking bending and vibrato use. When listening the guitar track I could notice that vibrato is well played, and you are trying to sync it with the tempo as well. However, more control and wider aggressive vibrato would be better. I suggest you focus more on making the vibrato wider. The picking was mostly OK, but as I said before, in the 16th part, you had some difficulties with certain positions. You could spend some time with metronome on these since they are pretty cool, and if you really nail them perfectly they are nice addition to your style whatever you play. Sound: The guitar track had enough distortion, and perhaps a bit too much as well, cause signal dynamics was restrained. Also, the additional use of overdrive created buzzy character in the sound. EQ could be better for a lead guitar track, and accenting the mids and cutting down the lows bellow 100Hz is what I normally recommend. Another reason for the track being lost in the mix is overuse of reverb. It is too long and too dark so it kills definition and colors the entire track. Try to cut the reverb track separately and focus the sound to one particular sound range, so you don't clash with other instruments in the track. Cutting down the tail would be good as well, cause you use big depth reverberation. Velvet Roger: Rhythm: Well played and well structure solo in the first part, but in the second part the structure is a bit lost and the timing goes less good relative to the first part. By watching your video I can see that you have good timing, but the timing issues are caused most probably from both hands being a bit out of sync when playing shorter note passages, and the slow movement by your fretting hand when doing legato techniques. Remember, those slides should be tight and precise as the lightning. Phrasing: The whole solo has a very nice structure with melodic passages that blend into one another very naturally, I must say I liked the way you build the solo, and then descended down to the root to finish it off, very nice. There are couple of things here that could be better of course. I think the main problem of the whole solo was overuse of notes. You could say what you wanted with less notes than you actually used, some of them didn't carry proper wight. It is always better to be more accurate with playing and accent the proper note right, than to perform several of them with less definition of rhythm and function in relation to the backing. Some degree of freedom is always cool, but here it is happening randomly. The second important thing is the ending. It could be more effective, and although I liked the way you did horizontal movement and descended to the original position, I think this descending move could be done a lot more effective, and with greater sense on where you will go after you come to that position. Again, more notes than needed here as well. Technique: I like the array of techniques you used in this take, it shows you practice all kinds of different techniques. AP, sweep, arpeggio, scales, legato, bending, vibrato, all was used here to some extent, and this is very nice to see. I think all the things could use fine tuning in general, but bending was the best of them all, it was precise and in pitch. vibrato was good and well used but a bit shallow, gotta make it wider ASAP (since you use it very good). AP & sweep is good, but the picking hand is moving kinda lazy, and you should minimize the movements and control it better. As always, slow practice with metronome helps here. Scale knowledge is good, except I think your fretting hand would move better horizontally if you had a bit more understanding on the scale pattern on the bass notes. Sound: The sound was well defined and cutting through the mix. There was a too much distortion here so the buzziness and lack of dynamics killed the tone quite a bit. The reason why guitar was so nicely heard is good EQ (although cutting low end would be nice), and because of proper (discrete) use of space FX. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 20 2010, 11:33 PM
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Thanks Ivan for the very useful comments.
The one thing I am currently focussing on completely is a better use of arpeggio's in all kinds of forms in my playing, so I am spending loads of time memorizing all different types and voicings. I am already now seeing the results in terms of using strong notes and less is indeed more in this case Btw, my guitar is currently at one of the best luthiers in the Netherlands (most famous Dutch guitar players use him) for a total check-up, and I visited the guy while he was still busy with my guitar and the improvement in tone he got out of the guitar is truly amazing (never ever thought that the guitar could be improved that much, as it was already a great guitar beforehand). I might record another take on the backing when I get my guitar back to test it . -------------------- "Don't practice until you get it right. Practice until you can't get it wrong." Guitars & Amps Brian Moore DC-1 Custom Shop (Cherry Sunburst, mahogany/rosewood) Eric Johnson Signature Strat (2-tone Sunburst, alder/maple) Ibanez RG770 (Black, basswood/rosewood) Peerless Journeyman (solid spruce/maple) Sixt Bov-105C (Ovation-like acoustic) - Ibanez SGT-130 (Jumbo acoustic) London City VS-1 (Precision bass) - Baton Rouge U3S (Ukelele) Fender HotRod Deluxe 40W combo - Fender Princeton Reverb Reissue 5W combo - Marshall JCM 900 50W Hi-Gain combo Effects & Other stuff POD Studio UX2 audio interface - Edirol MA-15D monitors EH Double Muff - Fulltone GT-500 - Fulltone Fulldrive 2 Mosfet - Guitarsystems TrebleTool Junior - Guitarsystems FuzzTool Junior Korg Pitchblack Tuner - MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay - TC Electronics Nova Modulator - Morley Bad Horsie 2 Wah Shure SM58 - Roland PCR-500 midi controller/keyboard & Yamaha Clavinova CL-910 piano My Website My MySpace Page My YouTube Channel My Twitter Account My Band 'Gonzo!' |
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Jan 21 2010, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Jan 20 2010, 05:39 PM) Ivan thanks for Your feedback! I am happy that overall You enjoyed it, some of things You mentioned I expected, and some are really interesting, new and because of that highly valuable for me, like thinking about note choice while "gluing" different parts of the solo. Vibrato is still quite hard for me, there is a rise of skill, as not so long ago I just could shake the string with my fretting finger, and now it is becoming little wider and controlled, but still far from wide and agressive:P Cheers and thanks for the collab, it's always nice to participate in those hosted by You. I'm glad to help mate, and happy to see you on this collab as well. I did enjoyed your take, very nice playing, and the improvement is clearly audible! QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Jan 20 2010, 11:33 PM) Thanks Ivan for the very useful comments. The one thing I am currently focussing on completely is a better use of arpeggio's in all kinds of forms in my playing, so I am spending loads of time memorizing all different types and voicings. I am already now seeing the results in terms of using strong notes and less is indeed more in this case Btw, my guitar is currently at one of the best luthiers in the Netherlands (most famous Dutch guitar players use him) for a total check-up, and I visited the guy while he was still busy with my guitar and the improvement in tone he got out of the guitar is truly amazing (never ever thought that the guitar could be improved that much, as it was already a great guitar beforehand). I might record another take on the backing when I get my guitar back to test it .I would be happy to comment the second take mate! I appreciate the effort you made of posting video! QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Jan 21 2010, 12:30 AM) Thanks for the Reaper info... I've been having the same issues and wasn't really sure what to do!!! Really appreciate your posting this... Thanks Ivan for the recording info... I get now what you are telling me about the timing and the use of delay. I will take my time recording now and really look at everything you have pointed out! You're welcome mate. I'll wait for the other take, and comment on that as well, we can then make some comparisons. I'm sure it will sound awesome!
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Jan 21 2010, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Jan 21 2010, 12:30 AM) Thanks for the Reaper info... I've been having the same issues and wasn't really sure what to do!!! Really appreciate your posting this... Sure thing! And take a look here as well: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=32563 Tonymiro has given same very interessting insights regarding encoders and stuff. I´m not happy with my skills but at least my rendering sounds the way I´m playing
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Jan 23 2010, 04:50 PM
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Berglmir
Rhythm: Nicely played with a good sense for timing. The thing that bothered me the most here is the fact that you used too many 8th notes. During the whole take there are 8th notes, and although some of them are played in the shuffled manner, it still doesn't make up for the inevitable repetitive effect. The last faster sequence was note properly controlled and the notes are not defined well rhythmically. When practicing, try to practice everything using all kinds of different note durations, this will help to break out of the 8th notes a bit. Phrasing: There are some cool phrases in this take, and they are mostly within the pentatonic scale. This itself is very nice, and structurally it all fits in very nicely, but the problem here is the connection of the solo guitar with rhythm guitar. As you know, rhythm guitar plays certain chords that contain certain notes, and for solo guitar it would be best to function within those changes in a proper manner. This is mainly done by gravitating towards those strong notes, and forming a melody that is revolving around those important chordal notes. You don't have to form the whole melody like this, but for starters it would be good to focus on the landing notes, and make the a bit more connected to the chords beneath. Technique: Nicely played take with lots of artificial harmonics that complement the take in a very cool manner. Vibratos could be better controlled and better used, I think they were a bit too fast and nervous here. The speedpicking part in the end needs a lot more refinement, since the half of the notes came out undefined. It would be much better to use simple 8th triad run and snug the notes carefully within the bar so they lead to the root in a more defined way. Better muting would help as well since you had huge amounts of gain (and noise) present. Sound: Sound is OK in this, and I like the use of wah, not too often I hear one on collads. However, I think you used too much distortion and the sound was fizzy with evident lack of dynamics. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 23 2010, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (Berglmir @ Jan 21 2010, 02:05 AM) Sure thing! And take a look here as well: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=32563 Tonymiro has given same very interessting insights regarding encoders and stuff. I´m not happy with my skills but at least my rendering sounds the way I´m playing Berglmir, I've downloaded Foobar... but can't open the file. I've dug around the forums and FAQ's but no answers...? Is there a trick to opening this file? O.K. I think what is needed is the torrent file opener found here...http://www.bittorrent.com/ I don't know how to Render from Foobar... I've got the FLAC file open and palying but how do I render from there? This post has been edited by Hammerhead: Jan 23 2010, 06:58 PM -------------------- When I look down at my hands... I see "FINGERS of DOOM"
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Jan 24 2010, 04:49 PM
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OK, I'll wait for the second take!
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